The impossible has happened - Trump has made me a Keir Starmer supporter!

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'This is not the age of churchill'

Thank God. Fucking orange twat.

Trump is very much opposed to the Chagos islands being handed back.

Today.

But perhaps he will reverse his position tomorrow.

He is also in favour if seizing Greenland.

It would be a mistake to think there us a philosophy or plan behind his whims.

In other news, Iran has big oil reserves. Venezuela has big oil reserves. Gaza has big gas reserves.

Trumps strategy is chaos! There is no day after plan, certainly not a credible plan. The people he half intended to take over the Iranian regime he inadvertently killed in the strike on the supreme leader.
Trump is a throw the deck of cards and see where they land kind of guy. There is no plan. He doesn’t give a damn about the consequences or he would not have done this the way he did!

I'm not a fan of Starmer but I do think some people dislike him no matter what. If ships had been moved before the war started people would be saying Cyprus was attacked because Iran saw the move of British forces as involvement in the war.

Oh I completely agree that there is absolutely no consistency or even logic to Trump's views.

Regarding the future of the Chagos Islands, this should be a matter of self determination for the Chagossians themselves and not be simply traded between the UK and Mauritius without any say from the Chagossians.

Regarding oil, whilst it's certainly true say 50 years ago that access to oil reserves was a major driver in foreign policy, it simply isn't today.

It's possible to find oil in many more places in the world, for example there are oil reserves beneath Windsor Castle. The problem is that it will cost more to extract it than it is worth.

Wars are incredibly expensive things and if the motive was really about getting access to oil then it would be a lot cheaper and easier for the government to spend that money on subsidising exploration and production from these currently uneconomic locations.

@1dayatatime

"Regarding oil, whilst it's certainly true say 50 years ago that access to oil reserves was a major driver in foreign policy, it simply isn't today."

You think Trump's choice of targets is just coincidence?

What was the first thing he said America should do, after attacking Venezuela?

Regarding Venezuela, Trump wanted US oil companies to invest there. That wasn't about trying to seize oil reserves but about trying to create profits for US companies and the same logic would apply if say Venezuela was a major world producer of say lithium or microchips.

Anyway in the case of Venezuela Exxon Mobil went on record as saying that the oil industry of Venezuela was uninvestable.

Spending government money on subsidising oil and gas exploration and production is way cheaper than spending government money on bombs and missiles to try and take control of another country's oil reserves.

Whilst it was once true it is now a myth that "it's all about seizing oil reserves", financially it simply doesn't make sense.

Petrodollars might have been more of a motive for Iraq than "oil" but it got sort of simplified into being about oil.
I agree, on a strategic national level fighting wars just for oil isn't so much of a thing as is made out. But Trump and the people around him aren't about grand national strategy. It's a mix of personal enrichment and a meme level understanding of how geopolitics works. So I can completely believe "Venezuela has oil, Iran has oil" would be part of his motivation.

Of course when Exxon said that they weren't interested in risking investing in Venezuela, the Tangerine Toddler threw his toys out of his pram and said that he wasn't going to let them invest in the place they didn't want to invest in anyway.

Hegseth just said this in his press conference

"To our steadfast partner, Israel. Your mission is being executed with unmatched skill and iron determination. Fighting shoulder to shoulder with such a capable ally is a true force multiplier and a breath of fresh air."

And people want the UK to join the US?

Oh apologies @TheFairyCaravan I tagged the wrong person! All the best 💐❤️

Dear God.

The thread is about Trump and his comments about Starmer sweetie. How is commenting on that “obsession with Trump”.

Are you ok? You aren’t making sense.

And why would Iran want a return to pre-1979 and a despotic ruler? There was a revolution for a reason. How about a completely different and better way forward.

But that’s a separate point. Back to the thread topic - Trump is not an ally.

Seriously- are you even surprised that he had a toddler tantrum?

Donald the renowned oil and gas exploration and production expert is told by Exxon Mobil (who clearly know nothing about oil and gas E&P) that Venezuela is uninvestable.

Of course he was going to have a tantrum.

Either that or absent-mindedly wander off to talk about gold curtains or something.

The shah was a horror too

Not sure Winston Churchill would cope in today’s environment, so comparison is mute. You have a madman attacking countries killing innocent people even in his own country, with no thought to how this will affect the rest of the world. You think Winston Churchill would back this I think he would not.

The leadership of Iran is many things but they are not madmen.

There is a logic to their actions even if we disagree with it.

The nuclear threat can be degraded without destroying every structure in Iran which will lead to the exact opposite of freedom for women, Trump doesn't care about Iran, its people, let alone women's rights.

Anyone who thinks he is acting rationally or is our "ally" is an fool.

We have no Navy because the Tories halved the number of Frigates from 2010 to 2024... 13 to 6... (operational)

Iran is threatening Israeli Embassies worldwide, they will remain a terrorist threat to us all, then there is the economic pain, fine for you to say, less so for the country as a whole.

I.. don't think the poster was referring to Iran's leaders as the madman

Trumps response was to threaten to cut trade we should not have to be dealing with a leader who behaves in this way

what are the objectives of this war what is the long term plan are the actions legal to be asking this and want answers as a leader of a country who you are asking support from is not unreasonable but that’s not how Trump does politics

the war will impact those living in the Middle East and Europe far more that it will those living in the US and it’s going to impact many people for years I wish more leaders would hold make and been demanding more answers first

Israel and the US are trying to take out the madman / madmen you refer to.

I think Mr Churchill would have been all for joining in, as he did when he stood alone way back when.

The next madman is waiting in the wings.

Who will Trump take out next?

OK, I see which side you are on.

Trump wanted something Starmer had. After the request came through, why didn't Starmer say 'no problem, but zero tarriffs on British goods until your presidency ends'. You know, standing up for British interests and economy. Trump would probably appreciate the deal and grant it, but no. Starmers too busy trying to appease muslim voters here.

Blokes a total wetwipe.

I think Israel is credited with taking out Khamenei.

Oh dear

Regarding oil, whilst it's certainly true say 50 years ago that access to oil reserves was a major driver in foreign policy, it simply isn't today.

You reckon? Pure coincidence then, that the two countries Trump wants to annex, also happen to have massive oil/mineral reserves? Canada has the 3rd highest oil reserves in the world.