The impossible has happened - Trump has made me a Keir Starmer supporter!

[mumofoneAloneandwell]

'This is not the age of churchill'

Thank God. Fucking orange twat.

Well here's a first after many threads I 100% agree with you.

That said I don't think that you would get much support on this thread for suggesting that the Royal Navy is used to escort tankers through the Straits of Hormuz, even if they are not being used to attack Iran and even if this is in the interests of the UK.

Don't get me started on Trump. I think he is vile. When he comes on the news my DH has to hide the remote! There is no way KS will risk going down the Tony Blair route (I hope)

Take your time and think very, very hard….it'll come to you.

I thought Keir had said US can use UK military bases for 'defensive' strikes. That sounds like the usual Keir non-stance to me. He is doing what Trump wants but pretending he isn't.

Nonsense. There’s a lot of clear water between facilitating defence and facilitating attack.

"My Granny" !!!!!!!!!

You really hate to admit when you are wrong.

This will blow the minds of some Telegraph devotees.

Definitely in dry dock https://www.navylookout.com/type-45-destroyer-to-be-sent-to-the-eastern-mediterranean/ in Portsmouth.

otherwise the article would just say alongside.

quite why it matters is beyond me - the point is she was not at all at immediate readiness, and it points to the governments complete lack of planning and foresight in this. (Not, The Royal Navy’s)

One just came back from a 9 month round the world trip without issue so that seems a little unfair.

Why? its in our interests to do so and we have done this before (2019) this war has the potential to completely finish of our economy....

Well fucking done Trump - quite unbelievable Badenoch wanted the UK in the first wave.....

Its just a great pity the Tories ran down our Navy since 2020 and it wasn't enough even then, of the 5 type 45 frigates, only 2 are ready to go.

Thank you; I prefer words.......

Providing safe passage to Qatari LNG tankers through the Straits of Hormuz that are destined for Milford Haven helps to stop UK nat gas going up so much.

Well maybe now everyone agrees Starmer is good, his own party could allow him to lead from the centre crowd unfettered, to bring some economic growth into play as well? That would be a good thing.
If Starmer can establish the Labour Party as the Centrist Party we will have a bright future. And he can take us back into a closer relationship with Europe as well. Which absolutely has to happen as we do have a war in Europe as well you know and the Americans won’t keep funding 30% of it when they are distracted in the Middle East and we all need economic growth in the EU to defend ourselves from Russia. So we need to drop the too left liberal bullshit as well as it is not going to let us grow and defend ourselves.

Good for Starmer. Following the noble example of Harold Wilson who refused Lyndon Johnson’s request for British troops to go to Vietnam.

If Starmer were Churchill he could point out it took the Yanks 2 years to decide to come to their “ally’s aide” in WWII.

This is America and Israel’s war. They can fight it.

Nobody was asking the UK to fight. All our allies wanted to do was use our bases, one of which was attacked even when we didn't allow use.

It's everybodies war if Iran, under the current regime, do develop a deliverable nuclear weapon.

Ok, it is a ‘face palm’ emoji. Do you know what a ‘face palm’ means?

Hid did however make it known that he was providing "full support".

(Many years ago in a biography of Wilson I read that was the phrase he used when replying to Johnson. However when his aide asked "what does full support mean ?". Wilson replied "Everything but."

No, and I don't need to. I wasn't asking what it means; simply expressing a dislike of emojis, and making the point that because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't mean they're unintelligent. I detest Trump and all he stands for. He is unintelligent; not everyone in his administration is. Likewise Farage.

I thought that Trump was boasting last year about having destroyed the Iranian nuclear programme once and for all?

After Iraq you'll find that the British public are rather suspicious of claims of WMD programmes.

I just did. 🤷‍♀️

All I can hear in my head is "weapons of mass destruction".

It's a shame there are so many influencers and so few scientists in the UK.

Also there was a treaty with Iran that other countries, including the UK and especially the US, spent a long time negotiating. It didn't just involve Iran promising not to develop a bomb. It involved other countries being allowed to inspect their facilities - having completely free reign to see everything. Iran might not be a trustworthy regime but the system was working well. Until Trump in his first term came in and ripped the treaty yo, reimposed sanctions etc. at which point the Iranians probably questioned what the point was of doing deals that were going to be broken anyway

There are multiple other ways to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons. Including maybe not giving states that already have them (Russia, US) a free pass to do whatever the hell they like. A bombing campaign that probably won't affect the deep underground facilities anyway isn't one of them.

If someone attacks you because they are defending themselves against your attack, is it defense when you retaliate? I would say the waters are about as murky as they get. I think only you, and possibly Trump (though probably not even him), think it is clear.