To ask Trump supporters if they support the attack on Iran or if they feel Trump has wrongly gone back on his 'no more foreign wars' promise?

[Carla786]

YABU = Yes, I support the attack on Iran
YANBU = No,he wrongly went back on his 'no more foreign wars' promise

Personally, I can see both sides. I don't personally support Trump, but I can see why some might support the attack. Khameini and is regime are certainly loathsome and Iranians and the rest of us would be much better off without them. They certainly pose danger to Israel, US etc too.

Otoh, is there a credible political opposition who could take over? The prince could, but only as a figurehead. The Iraq war, the Libya invasion and the Afghanistan war did not end very well- how do we know this one will end any better?

My understanding was that quite a few Trump supporters saw him as a welcome change from the neocons of the Bush era who led the US into ME wars. I could be wrong about this though.

Interested to hear replies!

The Saudi Crown Prince is big enough to sort out his own stuff. Why hasn’t Trump intervened on the UAE’s treatment of Sudan? Hundreds of thousands of people being murdered and tortured and raped, yet Trump has said nothing. What about the Congo? What about his close relationship with Putin? What about Palestine?

This is Iraq and Afghanistan all over again. We intervene, get what we want, then cut and run and leave people suffering. This wasn’t about freeing Iranian’s, there will be a new regime moved in and doing what it wants ASAP and we won’t give a fuck. And like with Afghanistan, we will remove their deaths from our history textbooks book. The lie about the stray Iranian bomb which came from one of Trump’s lackeys is enough to show that.

Do you really think this action is because he thinks it's best for you though? You are the ones being humiliated. You've given him the reins and don't care what direction he takes you in. He's not paying any attention to the limitations Americans have put on his power. You're the weakest in this situation, because he doesn't care what you think either. You're not in charge.

What happened on October 7th was horrific and abhorrent, but you need to learn about history if you believed that is what instigated this “war”. This genocide has been going on for far longer than that. Tired of the rhetoric that October 7th started this and it came out of no where. It was wrong, very wrong, I deplore Hamas, but equally I deplore the IDF and Isreal’s behaviour for a very, very, very long time.

Again with the whataboutry, when this tread is only about the us attacking Iran rather than any of your irrelevant points. If you read my 2nd post you may get some of your answers though.
As for why the Saudi prince would want America to deal with Iran rather than do it himself i guess he wants to pretend that his hands are clean in this situation

Re BlueSky - I wouldn't know, have never been on it.

As for this thread, it wasn't actually me telling anyone to fuck off, I was merely pointing out that, just as people are free to post obnoxious shit on this site, others are to express their disgust at that shit in whatever way they choose. If they break talk guidelines when expressing their disgust, then they can be reported.

People will of course make their own decisions about how to interact with the thread, and I am not trying to stop them.

It’s not Whataboutery at all, suggesting that Trump is intervening because he cares about Iran and Iran needs this is combatted with the proof that it isn’t about Iran and that we have historical evidence that this doesn’t work. These things go hand in hand, they are not whataboutery or irrelevant, they are all interlinked. The fact that people cannot see that is working very well for this US government.

You forgot Venezuela. The whole precursor to the attack on Iran. The reason Trump took control of Venezuelas oil reserves in the first place was only because he was going to destabilise global oil markets in the Middle East a few weeks later. That reminds, where is the Venezuelan president and his wife now? They seem to have vanished from the headlines. And Charlie Kirk’s killer? Vanished. And Trumps regrowing ear lobe shooter? Vanished. Mar a Largo? Wonder what really happened there….

I was going to mention Venezuela. It’s all gone quiet on the Greenland front too, which concern me.
I wish his country would impeach him, focus on releasing the Epstein files and then prosecuting him if he is in them (which I strongly believe he is). It’s a long time till his term is over, and if he does decide to go for a third, illegal term….

Are you willing to share your opinion?

Bluesky mostly condems Trump where X mostly support him

What do you mean by ‘you are the ones’. Who are you talking to? What are you talking about?

Trump is a ridiculous and risable puppet.

Yes it is whataboutry as I didn't suggest that he cares about the Iranian people, i even said that I wasn't sure that this is the right course of action.
If you want to argue that hes only in it for the oil then do so without the whataboutry when quoting me please

I fail to see how things that are very clearly linked are ‘whataboutery’? All of these things are very clearly and obviously linked. But if ignoring that helps you be at peace with these actions then you can go ahead and ignore them. We can catch up again in a couple of years when Iran is in the same position as Iraq and Afghanistan.

Oil, Epstein and bypassing Congress for approval

The regime killed thousands a few weeks ago and no one did anything. I welcome this invasion and hope he goes for Cuba next. Freedom for those tyrants at last.

It started the current conflict. I am aware it did not come out of nowhere but I am going to remain stalwart that live-streaming atrocities and strangling babies is not an acceptable way to draw attention to your grievances and that it is crazy to think it is. Where we differ is that in my opinion there is no “but”. Babies are non combatants and many many laws of war were broken by Hamas on October 7th, so to support “Gaza” is no more humanitarian than supporting the US action.

This is not rhetoric it is using facts and thinking.

The use of the word “genocide” for a population that was steadily increasing prior to 7/10, with a current child obesity issue, who are controlled by a proscribed organisation which takes civilian hostages and deliberately exposes those same people to fatal danger - that’s rhetoric.

But it doesn’t result in freedom, that is the issue. We have seen this time and time again. New regimes move in and things go back to being as they were, except America has lined its pockets and caused dmultipl deaths. These wars do. It equate to freedom for the people. Look at Afghanistan, it is in a worse state than ever.

Why not Russia?

No, it didn’t start the current conflict. That started back in 2022 when Netanyahu began killing Palestinians again. October 7th was a retaliation based upon what had already been happening for several years. Go and do the research, this did not come out of no where, The IDF had killed multiple Palestinians, then they went and harmed over 100 Palestinian people. October 7th was awful but it’s disingenuous to say it reignited this situation, Netanyahu did that.

And don’t try and put words in my mouth, I repeatedly said I abhore Hamas’ actions, but they did not restart this conflict. We need to deal with facts when discussing these issues, which you are not when you say October 7th was the catalyst for the current situation

Marco Rubios explanation for attacking in the middle of negotiations was quite revealing. He said Israel was going to attack anyway, so the USA had no choice in the matter. Because Israel had nukes and things could get nasty. So the USA has no real control of its own military..
Very odd.

Not to derail , but I thought Farage made a blunder , saying. Britain should send the Navy in. I'm not sure there's much support for upping the ante and risking the lives of service men and women. You'd be spending tax payers money to rescue people who think London is a sharia law hell hole and who emigrated to avoid tax. Surely the Andrew Tates can bribe their way out. Unlike the construction workers. Nigel has misread the room here ?

What’s terribly sad when reading posts like this is how many civilians across the world are dying. I have to be honest there are so many places in crisis I can’t even unravel it in my brain and I don’t think I’m a particularly stupid woman, I just struggle to process it all. I’ve seen so many horrific images from the world over the last 15 years, every bit as shocking as footage from the holocaust. Just innocent people from all over the world who are suffering/dying. And you feel almost backed into a corner to choose a country to align with and allow your sympathies and support, also to be as educated as possible on, but then you realise how many people are suffering from war/oppression.
I don’t want to pick one place to give my compassion and concern to, I just want the world around us to be safe for every single person on it. But what can you do? Nothing. I can simply feel sad and angry and often engulfed those emotions but that affects nobody but my family. So selfishly I don’t consume more information than I can cope with. I feel division is at an all time high and the sad thing is most people regardless of how they identify themselves politically will want the same outcome, safety for civilians regardless of their residence. Access to clean water, food, homes, medical care and education without the threat of being killed. I don’t know anyone who has ever voiced “actually I’d like insert country here blown to smithereens” and genuinely meant it and it not been a stupid joke regarding a football team or something.
I mentioned the holocaust earlier and maybe like myself you can think back to seeing the images for the first time in a history class and feeling sick at the grainy images of emaciated bodies when you’re young yourself? Now we live in a time our children have seen videos of people executed or beheaded on their phones in the school yards, we see videos of babies shaking with shell shock or toddler amputees daily. I don’t know if we are so used to seeing the horror around the world in so much that we almost have to block it out to an extent or you’d make yourself mentally unwell.

Trump supporters. Isn't that clear?

People are being slaughtered in many other countries, not only Iran. Obviously intervention is right if it can free them, but is this possible?
The situation with Iran has certainly worsened since Trump took office & understand the case for intervening. Perhaps his 'no more foreign wars' pledge was reckless & wrong to make in the first place?

Not sure if I'd trust the Saudi Prince as far as I could throw him, but I can see he has a legitimate reason to be worried & expect support as an ally...

This is what I wrote :

YABU = Yes, I support the attack on Iran
YANBU = No,he wrongly went back on his 'no more foreign wars' promise

Personally, I can see both sides. I don't personally support Trump, but I can see why some might support the attack. Khameini and is regime are certainly loathsome and Iranians and the rest of us would be much better off without them. They certainly pose danger to Israel, US etc too.

Otoh, is there a credible political opposition who could take over? The prince could, but only as a figurehead. The Iraq war, the Libya invasion and the Afghanistan war did not end very well- how do we know this one will end any better?

My understanding was that quite a few Trump supporters saw him as a welcome change from the neocons of the Bush era who led the US into ME wars. I could be wrong about this though.

How is is this Trump Derangement Syndrome? Do you wish to answer the question or not (presuming you yourself are a Trump supporter)?