To ask Trump supporters if they support the attack on Iran or if they feel Trump has wrongly gone back on his 'no more foreign wars' promise?

[Carla786]

YABU = Yes, I support the attack on Iran
YANBU = No,he wrongly went back on his 'no more foreign wars' promise

Personally, I can see both sides. I don't personally support Trump, but I can see why some might support the attack. Khameini and is regime are certainly loathsome and Iranians and the rest of us would be much better off without them. They certainly pose danger to Israel, US etc too.

Otoh, is there a credible political opposition who could take over? The prince could, but only as a figurehead. The Iraq war, the Libya invasion and the Afghanistan war did not end very well- how do we know this one will end any better?

My understanding was that quite a few Trump supporters saw him as a welcome change from the neocons of the Bush era who led the US into ME wars. I could be wrong about this though.

Interested to hear replies!

So if Russia decided to use their strength to “shape” the US, or China did that would be ok because they’d just be using their strength? I thought we had moved away from the politics of might is right.

Trump isn’t using influence and leverage, he’s using bombs.

Oh dear, someone needs their morning coffee

Reported for making aggressive comments that have no bearing on the question posed and for looking for a bun fight.

It’s called realpolitik. You should look it up and learn about it.

Is that you Isabelle Oakshit 😂

I think the big mistake Trump keeps making is assuming other countries will just roll over once he speaks . They clearly don’t .

He can do what he likes. Thats what strong, resourceful powerful people do

Adolf Hitler also believed in "Might is Right".

I wonder if I'll live long enough to observe an American leader who is rabidly left wing and adherent of Might is Right. Or maybe China will be the most powerful nation in world by time of my death and happily exercising Might is Right with impunity. With enormous support from some PP I suppose, because... Might is Right.

My American relatives who are Trump voters & often post political things, are mostly not posting messages about the Iran attacks at all. One uncle reshared a technical analysis about the imminent attack last week, with claims that there are "HUGE" reasons why it would need to happen. Which implies that that writer expects ample justification to be revealed later. Doesn't imply support loss if never revealed.

So might is right and there is no such thing as morality?

What a chilling view of the world. I find myself wondering what on earth could have happened to you to reduce any human being to such a fucked up state.

Whatever it was, I'm sorry. Your views are terrifying for the rest of us but it must be truly unbearable to live like that.

Oil.

Libya. Iraq. Syria. Iran.

Who will it be next?

Women’s rights - let’s bomb a girls school. That will really give them women’s rights.

He is following orders from Israel. They have dirt and he thinks he can’t say no.

The moment you used the term "Trump Derangement Syndrome" your opinion became worthless

About time someone did something. I hope the Iranian people can now get their freedom.

History tells us this is not the way to achieve this. I’ve only seen this argument made by the young (although I’m sure there are some older people too, with short memories).

Starmer is right, regime change cannot come from the skies.

Are you usually condescending about age?

It’s a chat forum with a range of views. The pp can post.

The pp can indeed post. And others are free to tell the pp that their contributions are not welcome. After all, it's a chat forum with a range of views.

Ik some think they can control where others post, no idea why.

I’m sure other sites cater for just having their view repeated back to them.

Gaza death toll at circa 75k in 2 years works out about 3100 a month - the comparison here demonstrates that the Iranians are killing their own people at over 3 times the rate of deaths in Gaza.

The comparison that really stands up is that Hamas instigated a war - October 7th, baby strangling, you remember - after spending millions in foreign aid on tunnels and basing their military centres in hospitals - and leaders like Yahya Sinwar said clearly that the deaths of Palestinian (civilians) were “necessary sacrifices”. These are the actions of a group who are deliberating sacrificing their own people.

There is a similarity with Iran, where a theocratic dictatorship has killed its own people for being raped, being gay, being on the streets, not wearing the hijab. Amongst other things.

Think there’s a link? Me too.

Did something have to be done - meh, probably not. It’s amazing what you can turn a blind eye to when it’s not on your front lawn.

But is this historically typical American behaviour? Yes it is. They are a global power. It’s global politics. Iran has stuff to export globally and Palestine has tunnels and war with the neighbour it sends 80% of its exports to.

The ones I know are 'sceptical' to 'cautiously optimistic', with a large point being whether or not there is a push for a significant amount of US troops on the ground. The latter is the main issue.

I think until then, they consider it a 'military intervention' rather than really a foreign war. The US, along with the UK and many other countries, have a long history of being involved in this type of thing. That it rarely goes well hasn't stopped us using the tactic of overwhelming power and death to disrupt other countries towards change, alongside many other tactics that haven't gone well that these governments have used which is why Iran is how it is.

We're talking about whether Trump is right. I would fight like hell for my country if someone decided to lie and cheat and make it his own in the way Trump has. You don't even care. Weird.

We already have that in the UK and have for decades with multiple politicians lying, cheating, and making their own way to benefit themselves over the public. We were boldfaced lied to about Iraq, costing so many lives. We're currently being lied to regularly about the selling off of government data, Palantir, and so on, involving a lot of cheating and making their own way. That none of them have done so with Trump's brash and very visible personality doesn't mean it isn't happening.

The methods both governments use in disclosing this information, whether it's firehose, doublespeak, outright inconsistent lies, and many more are purposefully designed to make people not care - at least not enough to risk much.

And thats before we consider all the state sponsored terrorism coming from iran or the alleged fact that even the Saudi crown prince asking Trump to intervene

Which raises why is the US wanting to dance to the tune of Saudi Arabia - a county well known for violence against their own people and involved in state sponsored terrorism. The US's relationship with Saudi Arabia, a country that has far more firepower and power in the Middle East than Iran, deserves more questioning, not used to explain why the US went forward with this action.

Also, the US did this action with Israel, who also has significantly more firepower than Iran and is known for its state violence. We have significant US politicians openly stating that they prioritise Israel over the US. That's a major problem, some have called it treason, some have called it weakness.

Absolutely true!

I don’t like trump but I also don’t like extremists. The regime needs to change. How other way would it happen ? How else should terrorists he dealt with ?
Starmer says he don’t believe in regime change from the skies, i imagine he would like to sort it out over a cup of tea ? Absolute wetter.

I don't think anyone here actually believes that they can control where others post. I do think that they feel able to exercise their own right to freedom of expression by telling obnoxious posters to fuck off.

I'm sure other sites cater for obnoxious posters who want to post shit without being called out on it. Twitter might be a good bet.

BlueSky is probably better if you don’t want to hear anyone answer the op’s question.

I do want to hear what the pp has to say and others who are voting yabu. They should ignore your demands to fuck off and keep posting.