To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

[LucyWestenra]

What is wrong with people??

Talk about adding insult to injury!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15602697/amp/Green-Party-spin-doctor-denies-women-raped-October-7-attacks.html

He doesn’t own it any more than his father did, and if his father did it would have been subject to IHT and it wasn’t.

Tell me something, if there was an easy way to raise buckets of cash that didn’t do staggering amounts of harm to the economy, why aren’t Keir Starmer and Rachel Reeves doing it? It would be wildly popular, no? Could it possibly be that we are rinsing ‘the rich’ for as much as we possibly can, and trying to take any more from them would be economically stupid and cause real harm to the tax take?

Speaking as someone who works in the sector, Labour are doing h what they can and absolutely everything that comes from the Greens mouths with regards to tax is 100% bunkum, but as long as enough fools fall for it, that’s ok!

She actually said “there is not a single identified victim”. This is confirmed by the UN special representative who led investigations into it. They did go on to conclude there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict related sexual violence occurred in Israel, West Bank and Gaza. The team determined at least two of the allegations of sexual violence in kibbutz Be’eri (which were widely reported in the media) were unfounded.

She may, or may not, believe there was any sexual violence at all, but the quote she gave doesn’t make that clear. Anyone would be foolish to believe that not a single man involved in the conflict had committed sexual violence.

It is rather telling that the Daily Mail report contains its own inaccuracies. It says a bunch of people (including the UN) concluded there was ‘convincing evidence’. This is incorrect, the term the report used was ‘information’. The piece can provide no screenshot of her tweet that allegedly said “there is no Israeli woman who’s said she was raped by militants”, nor of the other tweet “revelations” they claim she made. Conveniently, the account no longer exists, so I guess we just have to take their word for it, eh?

If this woman, (or anyone else) holds views that are wholly abhorrent, she deserves to be held to account for that. Maybe look at several sources, and do some research to check first, before throwing her to the wolves based on one article that has only been repeated in various places with a similar attitude to the Green Party’s latest win.

I used to regularly vote Green on a local level, for environmental reasons, and with the vague idea that they were well-meaning and couldn't fuck up bin collections too much.

Now they are fixated on Palestine and pronouns and seem far less interested in climate change and our wasteful lifestyles. It's genuinely alarming that they and Reform are gaining momentum and have MPs.

I just want a grown-up to vote for.

Well, let me put it like this:

1. Public services in this country are completely f*cked.
2. Clearly we need more cash to fix them. If it was a case of removing waste / reforming / finding savings, then ( to use the point you made ) surely any one of the Labour / Tory governments in the last 14 years would have done that. That would certainly have been more wildly popular than raising taxes, no? But they haven't, which means we need to raise taxes.
3. If we need to raise more cash - who should we take it from? The poor? ( don't have any ) The middle earners? ( already squeezed ) or the Very Very Rich ( have more money that they could ever spend in a lifetime. )

Clearly we should be taking it from the Very Very Rich?

I don't understand why ordinary people are so quick to defend Billionaires on here. It's not as if they give a shit about us!

Whaaaaat? They “actively campaigned” to support the people who lived in their constituency? The bastards. That’s just not playing fair. Everyone knows you are only supposed to campaign on issues which affect primarily white, primarily older voters and make no effort to encourage other groups out to vote.

And running a negative campaign against their opponents, using their own words against them, that’s just not on. Wouldn’t catch Matt Goodwin doing that. Not a single negative ad by him. Not one.

Poor Matt, out on his apology tour, following the Trump playbook whining about election fraud and people cheating. How can people call him racist when he is stirring up nonsense about “sectarian voting”. It is any wonder he lost with all of that against him.

Greens are far less abhorrent in my view. They want to remove our dependence on Palantir for our NHS data that we’re sleepwalking into and want to tackle the structural issues that cause poverty in this country. I’m a labour supporter. The right wing media has everyone hating on labour, Lib Dem’s and Greens. Unsurprising really. The Daily mail is owned by an aristocrat who lives in another country who doesn’t want to pay his fair share of tax. We have more food banks in this country than we had in the 90s. The Tories failed this country.

The mainstream parties have been so committed to rubbishing Reform that they've, almost entirely, overlooked the Greens establishing themselves.
It beggars belief to me that the Greens have managed to get a valid foothold in UK politics.
It remains to be seen how Labour will approach this, ie how they challenge Green policy without contradicting themselves and all they've said about Reform. What a mess.

Garydoeseconomics on Instagram has long advocated for taxing wealth not work, there is money there. Problem is the rich have the ear of powerful people in the government.

I’m not defending billionaires anymore than anyone else, but take a look at wealth taxes elsewhere. They haven’t raised money, they have reduced the tax take. It’s a fundamentally stupid thing to do.

We have four choices:

Increase taxes - we’re totally maxed out. We cannot do this.

Grow the economy - we’re shit this. We incentivise people to stay at home with benefits. We haven’t been installing a work ethic. People are lazy and unproductive. NIMBYs are hampering construction so companies cannot build factories and offices here so invest overseas. Labour have made it expensive and risky for companies to employ people.

Borrow - see my first point above. Totally and utterly maxed out. We’re ’in Hock to the bond markets’ enough, without going in any deeper. 10% of the budget immediately disappears in interest payments.

Cut spending - Labour tried this but their own lefty MPs thwarted them.

Labour is walking a tightrope, trying to take small steps to make things better because that’s all they can do. The country is stuffed. We’re not going to get better public services until we cut the sky high welfare bill and inject some growth into the economy and they’re trying to tiptoe in that direction but it takes time.

Modt billionaires have a range of citizenships and split their time over a range of locations. One less week in the year in the UK is often all it takes to flip their tax residency to another country, exceedingly easy for them to do. THATS why Polanski is a grade A idiot. There are no quick fixes or easy solutions. If they were they would have been taken already. Get wise!

Perfectly put.

I actually agree with a lot of what you've said.

We can't borrow more, you're quite correct.

Growing the economy would be great - but it's proving very difficult.

Cut spending - very difficult to do, particularly when you're talking about cutting benefits from people who are already on the breadline.

To me, that leaves Increase Taxes as the only lever we can pull. And as I've said - the very very rich are the only ones with any cash, so they are the ones who should pay.

And if the tax residency rules make that difficult - change the tax residency rules!

There HAS to be a way of getting more money out of Billionaire's bank accounts and into the Treasury. Just because it hasn't worked elsewhere does not mean we shouldn't try it here.

Good post. Totally agree. It makes me laugh the way Left-wing comedians like Stewart Lee think they are cool, edgy outsiders ‘fightin da system’ when they are the f-ing system. To be an edgy outsider today you’d need to be a patriotic conservative.

The other thing that sickens about the Left is the way they think they’re the ‘goodies’. If you are on the Left, then you are good by definition. In reality, they are every bit as vicious and hate-filled as the right. But because their hatred is directed towards white, middle-class Daily Mail readers, somehow it’s OK. It’s OK to demonise their national heroes, it’s OK to rob them of a tribal identity. When it was done to the Native Indians, that was colonialism, but when it’s done to British people, it’s enrichment.

I no longer live in a country with a shared history or shared culture. When I was young, I knew who I was. I don’t anymore. The Left have done all they can to fill us with shame and self-loathing. We have been systematically taught to hate ourselves. The Left have done what every abuser does. First, you break your victim’s self-esteem. You make them hate themselves. Once you have done that, they are putty in your hands. The Left have had to make us hate ourselves in order to make us accept mass immigration. If you hate your own country and are ashamed of its history and culture, then you don’t care if it is swept away and replaced with something new.

If you believe that, you truly are beyond help.

The account isn't active and so you cannot see the tweet.

It would be useful to hear something more substantive against this proposition. Saying "boo! you're stupid" without countering the argument just looks like there is no good argument and that Garyeconomics is correct and you just don't like it

The biggest mystery is why they have women standing as candidates. It is possible that women voters are unaware of the trans bias in the party, and the erasure of women's rights, with attempts to remove women-only services, but the candiates must surely know the party's position on this.

@IcyPlumShaker there are not enough billionaires in the UK to fund the public services, benefits and military.

The UKs economy has been in decline at the same time that services, benefits has increased. The Greens don't have a credible financial solution and in the recent by-election the open borders commitment was very popular.

The only way out of this is to get more people working and paying tax, perhaps they will need to reduce pensions but whatever government brings that in will be not voted in again. The UK can't afford the current setup, it was previously funded by oil revenues and money from nationalisation.

Based on 2025 data, the top 50 richest families in the UK hold more combined wealth than the bottom 50% of the population (approximately 34 million people), with both groups holding roughly £466 billion–£500 billion. The richest 5 individuals, led by the Hinduja family (£35.3bn), hold over £130 billion combined.

Look at all that money. Just sitting there.....

Yes, that is utterly baffling.

Cant understand it myself.

Ok. Well I have seen her remarks.
If she didn't say it, she needs to deny it.
Zack Polanski also needs to speak up, one way or another.
I optimistically await their measured response ⏰

Perhaps many women know that the Greens are pro-trans, and are actually happy with that?

Radical thought, I know...

I mean … not all women see things the same way with trans issues.

Though I think we would agree, there are a lot of different opinions out there.

Sadly I can’t say I’m surprised. I still can’t forget the TV footages of Gaza-supporting groups, both in the U.K. and Gaza, openly celebrating the October 7th attacks right after the event.

You would be amazed how many women (when drilled directly on the implications of trans rights on women rights) hold very terfy positions while maintaining that terfs are evil and supporting TRA mantras. It's beyond maddening. And has taught me some deeply dissapointing lessons on human tribal instincts.