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HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:22

magneticclocks · 04/03/2026 17:08

I am glad you feel supported, HappyFace, no one should be receiving abuse online.

I think OP could do that without starting threads like this, though.

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@LucyWestenra has been one of the most supportive of Mumsnetters and it is her prerogative to start a thread I hope you'll agree, especially as she is getting vilified for doing so!

magneticclocks · 04/03/2026 17:27

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:15

I’m sorry, I didn’t want to start a bun fight.

This thread was to voice my disgust at the Green Party and more importantly to reiterate my support for the Jewish community.

I wish those who act in bad faith would just stay away.

I have enough to deal with, coming to terms with my narcissistic mother (and no, I’m not throwing this term around lightly, I’m in therapy, and private therapy paid for by myself and my husband before anyone accuses me of being a foreigner who is a drain on resources)

Why is this place so toxic?

you wouldn’t allow attacks on Muslims to stand, so why is it ok if it’s Jewish people?

I am sorry about your personal problems, but the people here trying to explain why the posts here are unacceptably ignorant and partisan are not posting in "bad faith" and it is in fact wrong for you to be making that accusation. The situation is really complicated and I don't think you understand it, and it would be better for you to start a new thread showing support to Jewish people leaving the politics and trashing of other cultures out of it.

I am sure I speak for everyone when I say you would be 100 percent supported in simply showing support to Jewish people without the misunderstood politics and trashing of other cultures.

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:33

magneticclocks · 04/03/2026 17:27

I am sorry about your personal problems, but the people here trying to explain why the posts here are unacceptably ignorant and partisan are not posting in "bad faith" and it is in fact wrong for you to be making that accusation. The situation is really complicated and I don't think you understand it, and it would be better for you to start a new thread showing support to Jewish people leaving the politics and trashing of other cultures out of it.

I am sure I speak for everyone when I say you would be 100 percent supported in simply showing support to Jewish people without the misunderstood politics and trashing of other cultures.

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Ok

Understood

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Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 17:34

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:15

I’m sorry, I didn’t want to start a bun fight.

This thread was to voice my disgust at the Green Party and more importantly to reiterate my support for the Jewish community.

I wish those who act in bad faith would just stay away.

I have enough to deal with, coming to terms with my narcissistic mother (and no, I’m not throwing this term around lightly, I’m in therapy, and private therapy paid for by myself and my husband before anyone accuses me of being a foreigner who is a drain on resources)

Why is this place so toxic?

you wouldn’t allow attacks on Muslims to stand, so why is it ok if it’s Jewish people?

Don't let them upset you please.

You were completely entitled to start this thread and we're all entitled to debate the topic, as long as we aren't breaking site guidelines.

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:34

I’m sorry, I’m going to sign off now.

i honestly meant no harm

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HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:36

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 17:34

Don't let them upset you please.

You were completely entitled to start this thread and we're all entitled to debate the topic, as long as we aren't breaking site guidelines.

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This 100% @LucyWestenra

HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:37

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:34

I’m sorry, I’m going to sign off now.

i honestly meant no harm

You haven't caused any harm at all. Some posters just won't stop 😡

HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:37

Hope you're proud of yourself @magneticclocks .

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 17:38

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:34

I’m sorry, I’m going to sign off now.

i honestly meant no harm

Have a good evening.

Your posts did not come across like you wanted to cause harm.

Just because some people disagree with the premise of your thread doesn't mean that you don't have the right to express yourself (or any of us). You sound like a good person, please don't let this upset you.

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 17:41

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:34

I’m sorry, I’m going to sign off now.

i honestly meant no harm

I'm sorry that you feel it necessary to go, but I do understand. I think you started this in good faith, because what you linked was awful.
Take care, I hope everything works out ok.
Try to have a relaxing evening 💐

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 17:42

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 17:38

Have a good evening.

Your posts did not come across like you wanted to cause harm.

Just because some people disagree with the premise of your thread doesn't mean that you don't have the right to express yourself (or any of us). You sound like a good person, please don't let this upset you.

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I agree 👍
Still nothing from Abi Wilkinson or Zack Polanski to either deny or apologise, but perhaps that will come.
We shall see.

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:45

No, you know what?

I was upset and thought it best to step away, but instead I am going to listen to the sane voices on here, the decent people (also have my husband’s voice in my inner ear all the time, telling me not to let people mistreat me)

I wanted to shy away because this is what my mother made me do for decades, she made me feel stupid and small (which is ironic given I’m just shy of six feet)

So no, I won’t go. And I don’t need to start another thread because I haven’t said anything wrong on this one.

if you think I have, feel free to leave @magneticclocks

Maybe therapy is finally starting to take effect because I am starting to stand up for myself.

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HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:46

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:45

No, you know what?

I was upset and thought it best to step away, but instead I am going to listen to the sane voices on here, the decent people (also have my husband’s voice in my inner ear all the time, telling me not to let people mistreat me)

I wanted to shy away because this is what my mother made me do for decades, she made me feel stupid and small (which is ironic given I’m just shy of six feet)

So no, I won’t go. And I don’t need to start another thread because I haven’t said anything wrong on this one.

if you think I have, feel free to leave @magneticclocks

Maybe therapy is finally starting to take effect because I am starting to stand up for myself.

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Yay! Well done @LucyWestenra

millymollymoomoo · 04/03/2026 17:46

The whole Green Party is disgusting

bunch of Islamists and delusionists

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 17:47

Excellent, @LucyWestenra ! 👏

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 17:49

Well done @LucyWestenra we support you x

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:56

HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:46

Yay! Well done @LucyWestenra

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😊❤️

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 17:58

millymollymoomoo · 04/03/2026 17:46

The whole Green Party is disgusting

bunch of Islamists and delusionists

Careful, you’ll be accused of ‘trashing other cultures’

🙄

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 18:00

OrangeAxolotyl · 04/03/2026 17:47

Excellent, @LucyWestenra ! 👏

Thank you.

❤️

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 18:00

Twiglets1 · 04/03/2026 17:49

Well done @LucyWestenra we support you x

Thank you all 😭❤️

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hazelnutvanillalatte · 04/03/2026 18:09

magneticclocks · 04/03/2026 17:14

No not at all. If the other poster had said that there were women all over the world being forced to do things rather than choosing, then I would have agreed. But they didn't, they mocked the idea that anyone could choose to wear modest clothing. They were wrong. Also, my comments were based on real discussions with real Muslim women and real Jewish women, as well as watching footage and interviews and reading personal accounts. So not "luxury beliefs".

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This is like defending anti-choice legislation by saying 'but some people want to have babies.'

You can have unlimited sympathy and tolerance for oppressive regimes from your safe distance and feel oh-so-untouchable, but kindness to the perpetrator is cruelty to the victim.

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 18:14

HappyFace2025 · 04/03/2026 17:07

No it is not semantics at all @IcyPlumShaker so stop spreading misinformation. There has been no genocide.

Hmm. Who to believe? The UN commission or some random person on the internet?

I saw the Tv footage of Gaza being bombed. Looked like genocide to me.

Tikitaka20 · 04/03/2026 18:24

LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 16:38

I also have no connection to Judaism or Jewish people, but I have had an interest in it since my teenage years.

Of course growing up in Germany played a role; on a class trip we went to Dachau Concentration Camp and that has stayed with me and is still vivid in my memory decades later.

I love crime novels and at some point I came across the books written by Rochelle Majer Krich (she sadly passed away last year 😭)

Her books were about a LA Detective who discovers she has Jewish roots and starts embracing them and I found it really fascinating.

As someone who comes from an abusive childhood home and who has suffered with depression since I can remember I found it oddly comforting to read about this person finding solace in a religion she didn’t know she was a part of.

Im sorry, I’m probably waffling now, but I stand by what I said, which is that the Jewish community has conducted itself with so much grace in the face of all that hatred.

Love, not hate ought to be their slogan.

Not the Greens’.

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Thanks for your post about what got you interested in Judaism. I started to become more and more interested in it early last year.

I then lost a close relative very suddenly, and by complete chance, I found the below Jewish prayer online, which I’ve learned is recited after someone dies:

God, full of compassion, who dwells on high, grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Your divine presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the brightness of the firmament, unto (insert name of the deceased) who has gone to his/her eternal home. Author of mercy, bring him/her under the shelter of Your wings and let his/her soul be bound up in the bonds of eternal life. May you be his/her inheritance and may his/her repose be in peace. Amen.

It brought me huge comfort at that time - and still does - even though I’m not Jewish and do not believe in God.

I’ve also got a lot of comfort from the words ‘may his/her memory be a blessing’, which I think is also often said in Judaism of someone who’s passed away.

Ihatetomatoes · 04/03/2026 18:24

IcyPlumShaker · 04/03/2026 16:28

Surely we can avoid childish terminology like ' making Israel the baddie ' ?

As another poster has said, surely we can be objective and factual about this?

Yes, Hamas carried out an appalling attack on October 7th, kidnapping and killing hundreds of Israelis, including people who were at a music festival. I don't know whether any of the Israeli women who were there were raped, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.

Also yes, Israel has carried out a genocide against the Palestinian people, settling on land that was agreed to be theirs, conducting violence and intimidation against them, and - most recently - bombing Gaza to absolute rubble.

Both of these things can be - and I believe are - true at the same time. You don't need to make one side or the other the ' baddie ' . We're not in kindergarten ffs.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Captain Maayan

Israel Gaza: Hamas raped and mutilated women on 7 October, BBC hears

The BBC has seen and heard evidence that Hamas fighters committed horrific sexual violence in Israel.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

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LucyWestenra · 04/03/2026 18:30

Tikitaka20 · 04/03/2026 18:24

Thanks for your post about what got you interested in Judaism. I started to become more and more interested in it early last year.

I then lost a close relative very suddenly, and by complete chance, I found the below Jewish prayer online, which I’ve learned is recited after someone dies:

God, full of compassion, who dwells on high, grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Your divine presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the brightness of the firmament, unto (insert name of the deceased) who has gone to his/her eternal home. Author of mercy, bring him/her under the shelter of Your wings and let his/her soul be bound up in the bonds of eternal life. May you be his/her inheritance and may his/her repose be in peace. Amen.

It brought me huge comfort at that time - and still does - even though I’m not Jewish and do not believe in God.

I’ve also got a lot of comfort from the words ‘may his/her memory be a blessing’, which I think is also often said in Judaism of someone who’s passed away.

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This is beautiful, thank you

Crying here 😭❤️

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