This country is doomed

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While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

One of my friends son is 22. He's voting Green. The first word that he came out with about why was Gaza.

I'm disappointed not for his political leanings but because of his reasoning - or should I say - lack of. He studied politics and his grasp of politics has really surprised me because I've known him for a lot time and really thought he had more critical thinking! I really expected much more of a situation down argument! Instead I got 'Gaza'. It was a forehead slapping moment that frankly I hope he'll grow out of (I went on don't bomb Iraq marches about the same time which had a lot of Free Palestine supporters trying to hijack the purpose of the march that have long stood in my mind with their behaviour. So I do understand and support the desire to stop aggressive Western behaviour - I'm just cautious about agendas and I could articulate my arguments even then rather more than he can).

He's white. From a well off middle class background. Stands to inherit a fucking fortune.

He's not untypical.

The issue with the Green Party is their idea that its OK to legalise cocaine. Also according to a Moslem lady on GB news just now the Imans are telling men to make their wives vote in a certain way. Thats not right.

He didn’t say that. He said there should be tax incentives to support women to have children as we currently have a falling birth rate and it’s mainly due to young people not being able to afford them.

That is shocking. You can only hope that as he matures his mind set changes.

Yep, I'm waiting to see how this all pans out. Not sure how they reconcile their conflicting views currently, trans will have to go

Populist left and populist right beat incumbent government that tried to be populist when talking about previous government.

Seems to prove that being in opposition where you can promise the world to all your special interest groups is so much easier than actually having to prioritise some over others.

Perhaps the voters (and particularly the media) need to learn to recognise that.

Are you referring to Richard Burgon, the MP for Leeds East? Harehills isn't a seat.

What's worrying is how many people gladly suck up the blatant lies of Reform because it suits their narrative.

The amount of people who believe blatant lies about immigration figures & benefits because they are routinely fed propaganda via SM, the Daily Mail/Telegraph/Sun and GB News is truly embarrassing.

Reform ARE NOT FOR THE WORKING CLASSES. FFS, Farage wants to lower minimum wage to seven fucking quid!! He also wants to reintroduce zero hour contracts.

Yes, the immigration service in this country is a joke. It fails EVERYONE, But to say that it is the biggest issue we face and that without it we would be living in a land of joy and plenty is RIDICULOUS.

Our real enemy are tax dodgers and the companies that are allowed to increase our bills while making record profits. THE VERY PEOPLE WHO FINANCIALLY BACK REFORM!

Getting rid of THEM really would improve our lives!

At the end of the day, the majority of people in Britain are decent people and are not falling for Reform's bullshit.

Such a relief that they’ve lowered the voting age! 🙄

The Greens are rife for a hostile take over.

They are too small to stop it if there's a coordinated attempt. Knowing how the greens and LDs are structured would actually shock many. It's fag packet level organisation out of someones shed rather than slick well thought policy process from a shiny dedicated office.

The implosion if it happens will make for much loud wailing and screaming from 'progressives'.

They have no one else to blame but themselves by with their authoritarian leanings rather than encouraging cooperation and liberal thinking and moderation.

And I don't disagree with this either!

It's fucking depressing!

I don't get how people don't understand how important Gaza is from the perspective of International law, the UN and the international courts. We have been watching the decline of International law, Humanitarian law, the undermining of the International courts, Trump hoping to replace the UN with his 'Board of Peace' and people don't seem to care. For sure you will have to up your defence spending if you are happy to sit back and watch all of these safeguards destroyed because Israel.

The independent body monitoring this and other elections has said this election has the highest in incidence of group voting* they've ever seen.

Has to be worrying.

Group voting is where a whole group goes into the booth together. The implication is that members of the group are not only instructed how to vote but are monitored while doing so, or that one member of the group votes on behalf of all the others, coopting their voting entitlement.

The cognitive dissonance will make their brains explode

I thought Hannah’s speech was brilliant, it mirrors what everyone here and elsewhere is saying , working hard and having nothing to show, not being able to live a nice life , afford house, all while rich are getting richer , shes speaking out for her community.

I don't want Greens in or Reform, I am scared about the damage/change they would do to the country.

I hate the Tories for what they have created, they did this to us by lieing so much that now we only have an extreme right/left party choice.

We are totally and utterly doomed.

There is nothing green about the Greens now. They don’t give a flying fvk about the environment or the climate. It’s now just a wasps nest for Jew haters, terrorist sympathisers, Islamic fundamentalists, misogynists, sexual perverts and a band of historically ignorant useful idiots suffering from suicidal empathy derangement syndrome.

It’s Labour shedding votes left and right rn.

It is not unreasonable to be concerned about "entryism" into political parties. I recall Militant and the labour party in the 1980s. Did it cost them power? Yes. Did it force out moderates? Did it make them unelectable? Yes. They did get them out, but an established party at a time and culture which was different.
With new parties and totally new personalities, I see a risk that a determined group could get into a party to change from within and rewrite the agenda.

A very quick Google provides the answer to your question:

'Under the terms of their new policy, the Greens would put more regulation and taxes on private rentals to make it difficult for landlords to make a profit, while boosting housebuilding by councils.
It would use existing Green policies such as imposing rent controls, ending buy-to-let mortgages and giving councils the 'right to buy' a rental property when it is sold at a discounted price.
The Greens would set up a state-owned housing manufacturer "to mass produce high quality mass council housing for local authorities".'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwy9zqzp44vo

So, slowly make changes to make being a private landlord not profitable. Have the council buy up rented homes, presumably with tenants in situ. And build more council housing.

imagine 4 years of a green / reform coalition !

Cost of it is going up (ahem), with consequent effects on industry that requires it as your link says, and also mentions that it is lost, permanently, to space when it escapes as waste. (availability and cost might also be behind the various exploding party balloons on you tube when people sub hydrogen for helium - that or stupidity)

Perhaps we have more than enough hydrogen to service every biological system on the planet for the foreseeable and spare whatever is required for energy needs, and no detriment to atmospheric balance when it floats away as helium.

Well I certainly don't want the greens (who don't know what a woman is) or reform gain any kind of power, nor do I want the tory's or the Lib dems so I really hope Labour gets it's finger out and starts delivering results soon! Labour is still the best of a very bad bunch.

The turnout was less than 50%. The Greens received around 40% of the votes which equates to less than 20% of the eligible electorate voting for them.

That means that if 2/3rds of the Muslims voted for them they could have achieved this result without a single non Muslim vote.

It would be very interesting to see the ethnic split of votes although I doubt that is information that will ever be released.

It would also be informative to see the % of active voters amongst various groups. I suspect that a lot of minority groups with high voting % will create what on the face of it looks like quite perverse results.

If we had compulsory voting similar to Australia I think we’d have very different outcomes.