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This country is doomed

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:56

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:53

They have issued leaflets in this campaign on how voting green aligns with Islam and in languages used by Muslim communities.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

Link now or it isn’t true and you’re a troll of the highest order.

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:56

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:54

Being against the political ideology of Zionism is not antisemitic in itself, even if many jews agree with it.

People who don't agree with Zionism don't support ethnic cleansing of jews from Israel (the state, not the biblical area), conversely they disagree with ethnic cleansing of non-jews from surrounding areas.

Where are all the Jews in Israel going to go once Israel ceases to exist, then?

Bearing in mind they have been driven out of every other country in the region.

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:58

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:55

But you are saying voting in support gaza = islamic sectarianism? That doesn't add up? I support Gaza, I am not muslim.

True and Gaza is a humanitarian issue not religious.

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:59

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:56

Where are all the Jews in Israel going to go once Israel ceases to exist, then?

Bearing in mind they have been driven out of every other country in the region.

No one’s telling them to go …lol. Just stop blowing up children for a start.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 12:00

The point is we historically have not had people voting along sectarian lines in this country

Laughs in NI

adlitem · 27/02/2026 12:01

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:56

Where are all the Jews in Israel going to go once Israel ceases to exist, then?

Bearing in mind they have been driven out of every other country in the region.

Did you read what I wrote?

I don't think anyone (except the most extreme) think that Israel as a state should cease to exist. They should just stop trying to take over other areas, and killing all the civilians that stand in their way.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 12:01

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:53

They have issued leaflets in this campaign on how voting green aligns with Islam and in languages used by Muslim communities.

They knew exactly what they were doing.

Yes, communicating with the electorate by the sound of it. How fucking dare they.

KTheGrey · 27/02/2026 12:02

adlitem · 27/02/2026 10:12

Come off it, it's an Islamophobic generalisation to make. And ridiculous.

And so what if they - and non-Muslims - voted based for them based on their stance on Palestine? There are worse causes to support than wanting your country to speak up against genocide.

Is it not more Islamophobic to believe that most Muslims support crossing into the country next door and killing 1200 odd civilians including children, kidnapping 250 more and strangling some babies? Just curious as to where the line lies.

As to “speaking up against genocide” it seems the height of luxury to cast your vote on the basis of international issues unless the country you live in is a combatant (also “Palestine is in danger of a genocide” is a comparatively weak claim - in El Fasher 6000 civilians of Zaghawa and Fur ethnicity reported killed over 25-27 Oct last year; UN concerned this ongoing violence may be at genocidal levels; Palestine has an increasing population and also increasing child obesity levels - points to a class divide in the country, not a genocide) more logical to consider local/ national priorities in selecting local / national representation, given we have plenty to be going on with and much more control over them.

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 27/02/2026 12:02

I do with the LibDems hadn't banjaxed themselves by capitulating over tuition fees whilst in coalition...they could have been a viable, less batshit than the greens option for many. They could have caved on something else 😢

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 12:03

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 12:01

Yes, communicating with the electorate by the sound of it. How fucking dare they.

So you’d have no issue with Reform handing out leaflets outside churches about how they will defend Christian values?

MaddieJo22 · 27/02/2026 12:03

I want to vote Green. I've been Labour all my life but they've become too right wing for me. I suspect a lot of people feel like me regarding issues like benefits and immigration. The only reason I might not is to prevent a Reform candidate getting in.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 12:04

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 12:03

So you’d have no issue with Reform handing out leaflets outside churches about how they will defend Christian values?

Nope.

They do plenty of banging on about protecting Christian values on SM platforms already.

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 12:04

adlitem · 27/02/2026 12:01

Did you read what I wrote?

I don't think anyone (except the most extreme) think that Israel as a state should cease to exist. They should just stop trying to take over other areas, and killing all the civilians that stand in their way.

The Green Party and Zarah Sultana both support one Palestinian state ‘from the river to the sea’.

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 12:05

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:59

No one’s telling them to go …lol. Just stop blowing up children for a start.

All Jews are blowing up children?

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 12:08

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:55

But you are saying voting in support gaza = islamic sectarianism? That doesn't add up? I support Gaza, I am not muslim.

As do I, but that is not the same as arguing you have a duty to vote for a ‘pro-Gaza’ party due to your religion. The Greens have issued leaflets specifically about helping ‘your brothers in Gaza’.

In any event, this is a U.K. election and no individual MP can do anything about the situation.

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 27/02/2026 12:08

4 Islamic MPs is "enough" 😂And you are really trying to maintain that you are not Islamophobic. Apparently approximately 6.5% of the British population identify as Muslim. If there were proportionally represented that would be about 40 MPs.

Weirdly, while accusing me of Islamophobia, you appear to have lumped the openly pro Gaza/Islamic MPs in with all other Muslims.

You do know that there are lots of other Muslim MPs? We’ve even got a Muslim Home Secretary in case you missed her? And not all of them agree with the pro Gaza/pro Islamic MPs?

How is it not islamophobic to not be able to imagine that ANY muslim might care about any of the other policies that the Greens may have and ONLY care about Gaza? That is, of course, an islamophobic generalisation.

Except that wasn’t what I said. I agreed with PP that generally people who follow a naturally socially conservative religion are less likely to be keen on the extremely so called ‘progressive’ policies of the Greens. It’s like you are trying to pretend that the religious beliefs of Muslims don’t exist - majority in favour of curtailing gay rights, sex segregation, subjugation of women through dress and social restrictions etc.

There are also the more extreme practitioners of Islam who support the 4 hardline Gaza/Islamic MPs. These MPs ran in a platform of only supporting Muslim interests. They do not support their non Muslim constituents. Many Muslim MPs have also voted against the rape gangs inquiry and against first cousin marriage. Bizarrely, 20 Labour MPs (possibly Muslim) petitioned the Pakistani government to build a new airport in Mirpur- the homeland of many of our Pakistani Muslim immigrants. I wonder why?

Before you start chucking around accusations of Islamophobia I’d have a bit more of a think.

This article gives more detail.

In these Labour heartlands, changing demographics have resulted in changing political priorities — and the size of the Muslim population has reached a critical mass, at which Muslim voters no longer need to press their concerns through a national party.
To some extent, this is nothing new. For decades, Muslim voters exercised disproportionate influence over our politics through the Labour Party. Through effective political organisation and lobbying, the Muslim community was able to make itself a core feature of Labour’s support in London, Birmingham and the post-industrial North. Muslim support for Labour candidates was rewarded, through Labour’s advocacy for the issues that matter to Muslims. In this sense, the Muslim voting bloc operated no differently to other special interest groups — much ink has been spilled about the Tory Party’s traditional reliance on the so-called “grey vote”.

thecritic.co.uk/how-the-muslim-vote-is-reshaping-british-politics/

hulahoopingtoday · 27/02/2026 12:09

yes, the UK is doomed - if we get a reform govt at the next election. direly doomed.

adlitem · 27/02/2026 12:10

KTheGrey · 27/02/2026 12:02

Is it not more Islamophobic to believe that most Muslims support crossing into the country next door and killing 1200 odd civilians including children, kidnapping 250 more and strangling some babies? Just curious as to where the line lies.

As to “speaking up against genocide” it seems the height of luxury to cast your vote on the basis of international issues unless the country you live in is a combatant (also “Palestine is in danger of a genocide” is a comparatively weak claim - in El Fasher 6000 civilians of Zaghawa and Fur ethnicity reported killed over 25-27 Oct last year; UN concerned this ongoing violence may be at genocidal levels; Palestine has an increasing population and also increasing child obesity levels - points to a class divide in the country, not a genocide) more logical to consider local/ national priorities in selecting local / national representation, given we have plenty to be going on with and much more control over them.

Is it not more Islamophobic to believe that most Muslims support crossing into the country next door and killing 1200 odd civilians including children, kidnapping 250 more and strangling some babies? Just curious as to where the line lies.

~Well, sure, but what does that have to do with anything?

Speaking up against genocide may be seen as a "luxury" by you, I disagree. Anyway people vote for all sorts of reasons and all sorts of things will sway them. It's not really up to me or to you to decide what things people should or shouldn't vote on.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/02/2026 12:12

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 09:44

You can be Jewish and anti Zionist. Personally I don't understand how any Jewish person can be anti Zionist, more now than ever when anti semitism is more rife especially here in Britain where Jews are assimilated.
Jews need Israel. The events in Germany 100 years ago prove that. But I am digressing so back to the thread now.

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Quite.
I don’t understand either the claim of Zionism being bad.
Surely Jews have been made to feel unwelcome in so many countries sometimes violently, that the natural solution would be a country of their own where they can feel safe.
Yet they are not allowed to want or have that and are driven out of other countries.
Basically they should not exist at all.
Isn’t that the very definition of genocide.

adlitem · 27/02/2026 12:13

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/02/2026 12:12

Quite.
I don’t understand either the claim of Zionism being bad.
Surely Jews have been made to feel unwelcome in so many countries sometimes violently, that the natural solution would be a country of their own where they can feel safe.
Yet they are not allowed to want or have that and are driven out of other countries.
Basically they should not exist at all.
Isn’t that the very definition of genocide.

You are really reaching here.... from supporting ending the genocide in Gaza to Jews shouldn't exist at all. Jeez.

ukathleticscoach · 27/02/2026 12:17

Good news anyone but Reform.

pocketpairs · 27/02/2026 12:18

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 27/02/2026 11:15

They were voting for the Greens Gaza/pro-Islamic stance. Mothin Ali was the Green face behind the scenes.
Hannah was there to appeal to the younger, lefty voters.

Like I said, a true intellectual..lol

Firstsy, most polls indicate that those that left the traditional parties due to Gaza, did so in May 2024 election. Secondly, what are the Green's "Islamic stance"?

The above facts are just an inconvenience to bigots who can scapegoat a community..but that's not you right??

EarthSight · 27/02/2026 12:19

Wordsmithery · 27/02/2026 08:36

I've voted Green for years and would be delighted if they were successful at the next election. Obviously a Reform win would be highly problematic though. What's your issue with the Green party exactly?

They don't believe that women should have single sex spaces, maybe?

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 27/02/2026 12:20

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:36

Just imagine anyone was saying this about basically any other demographic. Bloody hell, now is not a good time to be Muslim in the UK..... that's what depressing.

Maybe you’d like to listen to some Muslims themselves about their plans?

There maybe some confusion over what a ‘pro Gaza’ MP stands for. They stand on a platform to prioritise only Muslim interests. Sadly, there are some areas (child/forced marriage, certain profile of rape gangs, first cousin marriage, segregation, covering and often exclusion of even young girls) that are not compatible with the values of our society.

From the article:
At the next general election, in 2028 or 2029, Khan sees all Labour MPs in Birmingham being at “very high risk” of losing their seats.

“I’m fairly confident that we could see the loss of Shabana Mahmood, Tahir Ali, Jess Phillips, Liam Byrne and even Preet Kaur Gill. I can certainly see Independents getting those seats,” he claims.
Many Muslim candidates have run on a Gaza-Green ticket at local elections. Green councillor Mothin Ali, upon winning his ward in 2024, shouted “Allahu Akbar” and said the result was a “win for the people of Gaza”. (He later apologised.) But there are key political differences between the Green Party’s social liberalism and the more conservative views held by some of the Independent Alliance MPs.

The Greens have long been proponents of LGBTQIA+ rights, for example, and were early proponents of same-sex marriage. Asked if he supports that, Khan says: “My personal opinion as a Muslim is well-known. You only have to look at what other Muslims believe, what’s taught.” He adds that he would not dictate what people do in their personal lives.

‘Free mixing’ between men and women in some public spaces is another issue that has been raised by socially conservative Muslims such as Maheen Kamran, an 18-year-old elected as a Lancashire councillor in May. She told PoliticsHome her area could have “segregated areas, segregated gyms, where Muslim women don’t have to sacrifice their health”.

www.politicshome.com/news/article/ayoub-khan-lots-of-mps-in-talks-over-joining-independent-group

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