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This country is doomed

964 replies

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:25

DaringGreenPear · 27/02/2026 11:22

This is like saying the Tories aren’t racist because their leader is Kemi Badenoch

What makes them antisemitic @DaringGreenPear ?

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2026 11:25

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 08:36

I must admit I am depressed. Have people not looked at the Greens’ policies?

And the win yesterday - it was on Gaza. I can’t imagine any Muslim voter being in favour of any Green policy except one.

It’s all bizarre.

Don't assume people are solely voting FOR something or someone. Equally they may be voting AGAINST something else.

We live in an era of political disaffection. Not many people are voting for reasons which are positively driven.

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 11:25

BunfightBetty · 27/02/2026 11:16

So you like the fact that the money would be distributed differently? Ok.

How do we pay for the increased costs their policies would impose on the nation - as an example, how do we pay for the vastly increased costs of open borders and unlimited immigration?

Do you know how much extra that will cost each year, and where that extra money will be raised from?

Oh what a shame I thought you were actually engaging in good faith. Open borders and unlimited immigration is not a Green policy.

You also missed the point that's it's not simply redistributing money, it is spending it more effectively

Theeyeballsinthesky · 27/02/2026 11:26

ensure human rights aren't eroded

they mean men's human rights not women's because they believe any man who says he's a woman is one ergo women as a sex class have no rights

so fir example at their spring conference there is a motion to allow men who say they're women to self identify into women's sports

and before the "yehbut trans issues/culture wars/no one cares" stuff comes in, the bottom line is ZP and his party is prepared to lie about something as absolutely fundamental that men can become women. They can't. Men are not and can never be women . So if ZP is prepared to openly and repeatedly lie about this I assume he's either completely dis honest or if he genuinely does believe it (he doesn't but for the sake of argument) catastrophically stupid

a fool or a liar just like so many other politicians

FiveOClockSomewhere · 27/02/2026 11:27

Don’t blame the Green’s, blame First Past the Post. It reduces politics to a board game.

Men, women, gays, straights, rich, poors. They all have wildly different policy priorities within their demographics, but Muslims all vote the same way.

According to the 2024 GE data, there were 53 constituencies decided by the Muslim vote. 53 isn’t enough to win, but it definitely could be enough to form a coalition with a weak Labour.

If catering to the Muslim voting bloc can get them from 2 MPs to forming a government, which electoral strategist isn’t going to take that?

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:28

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 09:34

They're mad. And basically Communists. And antisemitic.

I was planning on voting for Greens but now you’re saying they’re antisemitic, if they are that’d change my mind. What have they done that’s antisemitic?

HRTQueen · 27/02/2026 11:29

Yes YABU and over dramatic

It very bad news for Starmer but by-elections and local elections are rarely positive for governments

I do not think Zack Polanski's Green populism will fare that well in the general election but Reform (if they have not imploded which I think is likely with their sudden intake of high level egos) could do

Labour need to look ahead at the next election, this is why the Tories are so successful they do this from day one of winning the last election

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 11:31

Apparently the Reform candidate stood on an anti Starmer and anti immigration policy and got over 10000 votes

The problem for Labour now is that the left vote (not all obviously) are choosing to vote for other parties

Happened in Scotland in 2015 - you can't take voters for granted. You can't always assume because you have had the vote in Labour heartlands that it's always going to be that way

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scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 11:32

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:28

I was planning on voting for Greens but now you’re saying they’re antisemitic, if they are that’d change my mind. What have they done that’s antisemitic?

Personally I would do my own research into a party rather than take it as read that they are mad, Communists and anti semitic because someone on mumsnet thinks that (and I don't vote Green).

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/02/2026 11:32

peanutbuttertoasty · 27/02/2026 09:28

This. Copy, paste.

When people show you who they are, believe them.

They literally repeatedly tell us their plans and yet leftist idiots fall over themselves to disbelieve it. This country cannot be helped!

Minds so open their brains fell out.

Quite and I thought the left claimed they were the only ones with the ability of “critical thinking”.
It appears not.

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:36

FiveOClockSomewhere · 27/02/2026 11:27

Don’t blame the Green’s, blame First Past the Post. It reduces politics to a board game.

Men, women, gays, straights, rich, poors. They all have wildly different policy priorities within their demographics, but Muslims all vote the same way.

According to the 2024 GE data, there were 53 constituencies decided by the Muslim vote. 53 isn’t enough to win, but it definitely could be enough to form a coalition with a weak Labour.

If catering to the Muslim voting bloc can get them from 2 MPs to forming a government, which electoral strategist isn’t going to take that?

Just imagine anyone was saying this about basically any other demographic. Bloody hell, now is not a good time to be Muslim in the UK..... that's what depressing.

Climbingrosexx · 27/02/2026 11:37

Are the greens not just a spin off of the Monster Raving Loony Party? There policies certainly reflect this

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:38

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 27/02/2026 10:41

I think the very ‘homogenous’ (for want of a better word) voting on the part of Muslim population and their high level of voter turnout is an important factor here. And agreed, the Greens policies are frighteningly crazy)

Apparently in the 2019 election, 80% of all UK Muslims voted for Labour, providing 3 million of their votes they received. They won the 2024 election with 10 million votes (9,708,816 to be exact).

The author, Dr Parveen Akhtar, describes Muslim voting as a ‘bloc’ which also chimes with the many allegations of electoral fraud around religious leaders putting pressure on Muslim votes (one noteable conviction of this very hard to prove change for the Mayor of Tower Hamlets) and the reports from Gorton and Denton of a high level of ‘family voting’ - multiple people being in the voting booth with huge potential for coercion.

The disproportionate power of the ‘Muslim vote’ could sway parties. We have already seen Labour apparently bending over backwards to maintain third highly motivated Muslim support. Will they now go all in to regain those votes (pro Gaza, pro immigration, anti gay rights etc) from the Greens?

From the article:
Signs that the special relationship between Labour and Muslim voters was under strain emerged earlier in the year at the May 2024 local council, mayoral and police and crime commissioner elections across England and Wales.
Here the Labour Party support was down by eight points on the previous year in wards with Muslim populations of over 10%. Crucially, Labour lost control of Oldham council and lost their deputy leader in Manchester.
If Labour had hoped this was a local level protest vote which would not be replicated in the General Election, then it was a serious miscalculation. Local election losses were in fact amplified at the General Election where Labour lost 5 previously safe seats to independent candidates standing on a pro-Gaza platform in Leicester South, Dewsbury and Batley, Blackburn, Islington North, and Birmingham Perry Bar.
In other safe constituencies, the swing away from Labour was substantial and MPs were returned with dramatic declines in their majorities, including Wes Streeting, who won in Ilford North by just over 500 votes. The new Justice Secretary, Shabana Mahmood saw her share of the vote in Birmingham Ladywood decline by 40%.
In constituencies with the highest number of voters identifying as Muslim, Labour’s share of the vote fell sharpest. In the 21 seats where more than 30% of the population is Muslim, Labour’s share dropped by 29 percentage points from an average 65% in 2019 to 36% in 2024.
The relationship between Muslim voters and the Labour Party has been tested before on foreign policy during the 2003 War in Iraq. In a parliamentary by-election held in 2003, in northwest London (Brent East) the Liberal Democrats overturned a Labour parliamentary majority of 13,000 votes.
At the time, the Muslim population of Brent – over 12% of the Borough – voted against Labour because of military intervention in Iraq. The by-election represented a milestone; it was the first time that British Muslims had used a bloc vote at parliamentary level. This was repeated nine months later, when Muslims helped to overturn a 12,000 majority in a by-election in Leicester South, handing the constituency once again to the Liberal Democrats.
Exactly two decades later and, following a different Middle Eastern conflict, the constituency provided one of the shocks of election night when Jon Ashworth, a high-profile member of Labour’s shadow cabinet lost to the Independent pro-Gaza candidate Shockat Adam.

www.electionanalysis.uk/uk-election-analysis-2024/section-2-voters-polls-and-results/changing-pattern-amongst-muslim-voters-the-labour-party-gaza-and-voter-volatility/

The absolute length people will go to to blame Muslims when things go wrong for them.

‘multiple people in booths’ and ‘electoral fraud’ disgusting and baseless allegations and inciting hate against an entire community.

Most Muslims come from immigrant communities and have historically voted for Labour because Labour was the party for immigrants who were factory workers. Their children followed however subsequent generations are now moving away from that automatic ‘vote Labour’ attitude.

The community in g and d saw a horrible, backward, racist party about to come into power and decided to tactically keep them out, said community happens to compromise of Muslims too.

It is labour and conservatives fault that they no longer represent the people of G and D.

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:40

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:36

Just imagine anyone was saying this about basically any other demographic. Bloody hell, now is not a good time to be Muslim in the UK..... that's what depressing.

Muslims are fair game to them.

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:40

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Well, for a start they believe that Zionism (I.e. the belief that Israel has a right to exist) is racist. The vast majority of British Jews are Zionists.

They want to see one Palestinian state (not a two-state solution) including where Israel currently is. Where are all the Jews to go, given they have been driven out of the rest of the Middle East?

MyHappyGreenAnt · 27/02/2026 11:40

Regardless of the basis on which people voted, it seems to be true that the contest was an ugly one that no party should be proud of. However I do find it worrying that the Greens appear to have campaigned in a specifically sectarian fashion (i.e. targeting particular communities with particular messages - give it a different name if you don't like 'sectarian').

Parties that encourage people to vote, not as engaged members of the wider British community, but on the basis of religion or other more specific identities are cynical, repellent and short sighted.

FiveOClockSomewhere · 27/02/2026 11:40

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:36

Just imagine anyone was saying this about basically any other demographic. Bloody hell, now is not a good time to be Muslim in the UK..... that's what depressing.

What I said was a critique against First Past the Post, not a critique against Muslims!

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 27/02/2026 11:40

Protest voting.
Tactical voting.
Voting very locally and not nationally.

Just three reasons why people may have voted Green in a by-election and may not necessarily vote Green in a general election.

To say the county is doomed because of one by-election is frankly ridiculous.

Yoonimum · 27/02/2026 11:41

Wordsmithery · 27/02/2026 08:36

I've voted Green for years and would be delighted if they were successful at the next election. Obviously a Reform win would be highly problematic though. What's your issue with the Green party exactly?

They think a man is a woman just because he says so and that he has every right to force himself into single sex spaces/services/sports etc. I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole.

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:41

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 11:32

Personally I would do my own research into a party rather than take it as read that they are mad, Communists and anti semitic because someone on mumsnet thinks that (and I don't vote Green).

I fear this flew over your head.

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 11:41

OneGreySeal · 27/02/2026 11:38

The absolute length people will go to to blame Muslims when things go wrong for them.

‘multiple people in booths’ and ‘electoral fraud’ disgusting and baseless allegations and inciting hate against an entire community.

Most Muslims come from immigrant communities and have historically voted for Labour because Labour was the party for immigrants who were factory workers. Their children followed however subsequent generations are now moving away from that automatic ‘vote Labour’ attitude.

The community in g and d saw a horrible, backward, racist party about to come into power and decided to tactically keep them out, said community happens to compromise of Muslims too.

It is labour and conservatives fault that they no longer represent the people of G and D.

Why are they baseless allegations just because they benefited the party you support?

Is it a good thing for men to make voting decisions for their wives?

dottiehens · 27/02/2026 11:42

Follow the overall happening. Millionaires leaving and middle class disappearing or leaving if they can. Usually points to extreme parties like greens taking over. Think who are the biggest demographics raising and voting. It is all obvious and yes you are right to be worried.

CarlStoleMyUnderpants · 27/02/2026 11:43

Has anyone picked up on the shoe in??

adlitem · 27/02/2026 11:44

FiveOClockSomewhere · 27/02/2026 11:40

What I said was a critique against First Past the Post, not a critique against Muslims!

According to the 2024 GE data, there were 53 constituencies decided by the Muslim vote. 53 isn’t enough to win, but it definitely could be enough to form a coalition with a weak Labour.

If catering to the Muslim voting bloc can get them from 2 MPs to forming a government, which electoral strategist isn’t going to take that?

IF you aren't Islamophobic what is the issue with this? As I said above, approx 6.5% of the population in the UK identify as Muslim, which would mean proportional representation would be about 40 MPs. Not hugely different from this "Muslim voting bloc" that you seem so concerned about?

What exactly is the issue with Muslim MPs winning votes?

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