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To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

296 replies

Sparklespecs · 27/02/2026 07:33

Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

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AquaFurball · 27/02/2026 09:15

CatBusStop · 27/02/2026 07:38

Bots don’t vote

Such a technophobic policy. Bots rights are humanoid rights.

True though, the support for extreme right policies appear inflated because of the use of AI. I'd expect most humans are still not extreme right or left.

AquaFurball · 27/02/2026 09:18

Sparklespecs · 27/02/2026 07:49

Agreed, if it happened it’s not acceptable. But how do they know the people who are alleged to have done this voted Green?

Maybe they were paid by Reform to create this narrative 🤔

BeAvidHiker · 27/02/2026 09:22

The fact that we now have to accept illegal voting practices in the name of multiculturalism means that demise of this country is almost complete. No nothing is beyond the pale anymore.

Calling out cousin marriages, FGM, and other cultural practices already get you called racist, now this.

InMySpareTime · 27/02/2026 09:22

The only time I ever witnessed “family voting” (years ago and not in D&G) was when my polling station was in a care home, and one of the carers wheeled a very elderly man right into the booth and tried to hold his hand to physically “help them vote the right way”.
I heard him say “you need to vote Reform. REFORM”, then an election official intervened and told him to stop coercing people’s vote as it should be a free choice. He left with very bad grace.
Is that the sort of thing that is alleged this time? If so, it should have been tackled by the election officials at the time as it was when I saw it.
More likely, people with poor literacy were given help to understand the form and made their own choice freely after that, but that’s not such a good headline.

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 09:24

NarnianQueen · 27/02/2026 09:11

I think the upset in Denton and Gorton comes partly from the fact people were engaging in group voting - literally going into the booths to make sure their family members were voting the way they’d been told - which is highly illegal and basically makes the results meaningless

Allegedly.

BishyBarnyBee · 27/02/2026 09:24

EverythingGolden · 27/02/2026 09:11

The issue is not going as a family but more than one person going into a booth at the same time.

I read that there was lots of family voting and just one instance of two people going into the booth.

Which is clearly wrong but not necessarily evidence of coercion. It's not inconceivable that someone might want assistance from family members because they found the form confusing because of age or lack of confidence with written English.

ClovisWrites · 27/02/2026 09:25

InMySpareTime · 27/02/2026 09:22

The only time I ever witnessed “family voting” (years ago and not in D&G) was when my polling station was in a care home, and one of the carers wheeled a very elderly man right into the booth and tried to hold his hand to physically “help them vote the right way”.
I heard him say “you need to vote Reform. REFORM”, then an election official intervened and told him to stop coercing people’s vote as it should be a free choice. He left with very bad grace.
Is that the sort of thing that is alleged this time? If so, it should have been tackled by the election officials at the time as it was when I saw it.
More likely, people with poor literacy were given help to understand the form and made their own choice freely after that, but that’s not such a good headline.

When did this happen? Which election?

AquaFurball · 27/02/2026 09:26

Hedgesandbutterflies · 27/02/2026 08:17

Yeah I think the moaning is valid.

From bbc:
An election observer group has claimed its team witnessed "concerningly high levels" of family voting in the Gorton and Denton by-election.

Family voting is an offence that can be committed when a person casting a ballot in an election is joined in a polling booth by someone who intends to influence how they vote.

Electoral law protects the secrecy of ballots in polling stations.

Democracy Volunteers said they attended 22 of the 45 polling stations in the constituency, spending 30 to 45 minutes in each.

The group said it had seen family voting in 15 of the 22 polling stations observed.

The group said they observed a sample of 545 individuals casting their vote and saw 32 cases of family voting in total, including nine cases in one polling station.

John Ault, director of Democracy Volunteers, said: "Today we have seen concerningly high levels of family voting in Gorton and Denton.

"Based on our assessment of today's observations, we have seen the highest levels of family voting at any election in our 10-year history of observing elections in the UK.

"We rarely issue a report on the night of an election, but the data we have collected today on family voting, when compared to other recent by-elections, is extremely high.

"In the other recent Westminster parliamentary by-election in Runcorn and Helsby we saw family voting in 12% of polling stations, affecting 1% of voters.

"In Gorton and Denton, we observed family voting in 68% of polling stations, affecting 12% of those voters observed."

Or 1% of voters have high levels of additional needs that they need to have a someone present with them to cast a vote. Given the reported massive increases in SEN in schools, why is this not the headline?

SugarPuffSandwiches · 27/02/2026 09:26

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 08:24

Focusing on the Titanic is a GE result. I’m reaching the point of “anything but Reform” so I’m perfectly happy this morning. I think the days of two party politics are gone.

This
I don't vote Green, but think this is excellent news if it keeps Reform out.

Eskarina1 · 27/02/2026 09:27

LancashireButterPie · 27/02/2026 08:55

It's so patronising to suggest that a Muslim woman has to be dragged to a ballot box and told how to vote by her husband.
Does it not occur to people that most Muslim women would be able to recognise that a vote for Reform would not be in their best interests and vote accordingly.

There's plenty of evidence that women are more left wing than men. I assume the argument is that these women (if they exist) shouldn't be allowed to vote at all, rather than concern they weren't allowed to vote independently

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 09:27

Whattodo541289 · 27/02/2026 09:09

And in Scotland, the leftie SNP have NEVER accepted the Scottish referendum result

This is a wild claim, considering the consequence of the "No" vote, the Smith Commission, was unanimously accepted by the SNP Governed Scottish Parliament and Scotland has been governed in accordance ever since, by the SNP.

There was absolutely nothing in the Edinburgh Agreement, The Scottish Independence Referendum Act, or the Smith Commission that obliged the SNP or any other political party to forever forego campaigning for Scottish Independence or further Referenda on the matter, so quite how 2014 has not been "accepted" I'm unsure.

BlueJuniper94 · 27/02/2026 09:27

I am very pleased - Goodwin was containment anyway. Let the games commence, Restore could never dream of a campaign that'll do for it what the Greens are going to do for free

InMySpareTime · 27/02/2026 09:28

@ClovisWrites 2019 IIRC, my polling station changed since then.
ETA Yes, 2019, I was only in the polling station that long because I offered the election staff mince pies, so it must have been the December election.

ProudFriend · 27/02/2026 09:32

Mmmmm Brexit????????

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 09:33

I was witness in local council elections to the LibDems going round nursing homes supposedly canvassing but “helping” people fill out their postal votes when the postal votes were first delivered. It was reported but no action taken. One manager threw them out but I suppose most didn’t care.

ghostyslovesheets · 27/02/2026 09:34

TheKuiperBelt · 27/02/2026 08:16

Focusing on the Titanic rather than the deckchairs, how do you feel about the Greens winning, and Labour coming third?

I can’t answer for the OP but as a labour voter:

1 tactical voting so switching to green to keep reform out meant labour lost votes

2 Labour have their own issues- they haven’t done enough to make things better for people (COL etc) - arguably for good economic reasons, but traditional voters are disappointed and voting green

3 labour was just over 1000 votes behind Reform - yes it’s a defeat and a disappointment but this happens and maybe the party needs to do more to help people struggling. Reform offer nothing to working people but sound bites and the loss of rights

SideshowAuntSallyxx · 27/02/2026 09:35

Acafan · 27/02/2026 08:43

I agree that a more specific and detailed report about what "family voting" was observed and where would be helpful.

But also, now we've outlawed family voting is there sufficient support for people who need help to understand a ballot paper, or to mark it? Is it only a concern in particular ethnic communities, or is anyone helping their elderly mum or dad read the ballot a problem? (I understand it's illegal in every case)

I also find it hard to believe that the radical, conservative Islamists are supporting Zach Polanski's Green Party. They won by 4,000 votes. They clearly had widespread and diverse support in the constituency.

The Presiding Officer is there to help. I've helped a blind person before. It is also fairly often obvious the ones who need help because they ask for it.

AquaFurball · 27/02/2026 09:36

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 08:37

Precisely. Every time I’ve voted - and I’ve been doing it for over 50 years - the polling clerks would stop more than one person entering the booth.

Have you ever voted in a community with many voters who don't speak/read English?

Sskka · 27/02/2026 09:37

EverythingGolden · 27/02/2026 09:03

I don’t think any of those elections or referendums were widely said to be invalid or cheated? There is a difference between moaning about losing and saying you didn’t actually lose. Although of course gerrymandering is a thing and if there has been multiple people in booths they need to seriously address that.

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They all were! Russian interference, lies in adverts, the fake Vow, etc.

The OP is just noticing an unattractive facet of human behaviour and assuming it applies only to the people she doesn’t like.

Callcat · 27/02/2026 09:40

Loathe Trump but there was something very very fishy about the 2020 election. People dismissing it should really look into it before making debouncements.

BrownandBlueCarpet · 27/02/2026 09:41

You're absolutely right, OP. And lefties of course, are such good losers.

None of that "Not my prime minister" nonsense when Boris Johnson won in 2019, no "I'm going to unfriend tory voters on Faceache" from them. Oh no, just hearty congratulations.

And what about the heartwarming response from lefties when Donald Trump won his presidential elections? Just a shrug of the shoulders and hearty cries of "That's democracy for you!" and "Congratulations Mr President!" From every lefty round the globe.

randomchap · 27/02/2026 09:43

Callcat · 27/02/2026 09:40

Loathe Trump but there was something very very fishy about the 2020 election. People dismissing it should really look into it before making debouncements.

Bullshit. There was nothing fishy.

CapacityBrown · 27/02/2026 09:44

If independent observers see something is up then it needs to be investigated. And let's face it Reform may be complaining about it, but I'm sure Labour will also be concerned about it.

And when results don't go your way you can always blame "The Russians".

mindutopia · 27/02/2026 09:45

It’s because it’s all about them rather than looking out for everyone. I make political decisions based on what I think is better for society (even when it may mean, as a well off person, I carry more of the burden of those decisions).

The right wingers I know are all about me, me, me, what I can get out of this, what’s in it for me! When they don’t get their way, it’s very personal and they feel very individually affronted. Very fragile snowflakes.

ClovisWrites · 27/02/2026 09:49

InMySpareTime · 27/02/2026 09:28

@ClovisWrites 2019 IIRC, my polling station changed since then.
ETA Yes, 2019, I was only in the polling station that long because I offered the election staff mince pies, so it must have been the December election.

Edited

Okay… because Reform’s only been called Reform since 2021, so… sounds like bull to me.

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