To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

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Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

I mean like, it is clearly stated that they allege they saw family voting which is more than 1 person in ballot booth.
It's right there.

Alligations like that should absolutely be looked into. All of the parties agree on that. Except mumsnet it seems.

It sounds like it went further than attending together, and was two people in a booth. That's the bit that is disallowed. I totally get that it could be cultural, but then there needs to be clearer explanation of what is required and expected to vote in the UK to break that habit.

It's important that we respect the result from Gorton.
The people have spoken.
Well, their husbands and brothers have.

I go with dh to vote; I see many couples/families attending. But dh and I do not go in the same booth!!

The returning officer - presumably based on evidence from the clerks at the polling stations - said it didn’t happen. Is there photographic evidence? Presumably these political observers had their phones with them. And, if it happened and somehow the clerks failed to notice it why didn’t they alert them at the time? So many questions.

I'm happy with the election result, and I am disappointed that this has been allowed to happen. It's a shame electoral staff didn't feel emboldened to challenge it as it does cast a horrible shadow over the result. Maybe we need better pre-election education on what is and isn't allowed when voting?

They are sore losers. Perhaps what brought out so many in Manchester was reading statements from Refirm like the ones summarised here. Women, beware!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/26/britain-babies-reform-women-birthrate-policies

I would like to have a specific description of exactly what they mean by family voting - i.e. what exactly did they observe?

Are we being told that at least 15 different polling stations, officials were allowing more than one individual at a time in their polling booths? And that not a single returning officer or poll clerk at any one of these polling stations raised concerns about this?

As I've said I'm a lefty who voted remain. I just don't think sore losers is a right only issue.

So this is the bullshit line that Reform are going with

Straight out of the Trump play book

Precisely. Every time I’ve voted - and I’ve been doing it for over 50 years - the polling clerks would stop more than one person entering the booth.

I suppose if you spend all your time banging on about how success is the result of hard work and personal excellence, and people who don't achieve it are lazy and undeserving, it must be particularly embarrassing and difficult when you fail. It's the same attitudes held by ordinary Joe right wingers. If they're getting the best of things it's because they're superior to others. If they're not, it's because they're being cheated out of them by immigrants and EDI officers.

It is literally being reported on mainstream media this morning that family voting was observed widely. And family voting is usually men coercing their wives who don’t speak English on how to vote or telling other elderly relatives.

Sectarianism and multicultural practices at their peak. But of course the far left cheerleaders on here live all this stuff. They don’t care about the damage done to the country already by bad cultural practices what’s a bit of postal electoral fraud in London or family voting in Manchester.

I agree that a more specific and detailed report about what "family voting" was observed and where would be helpful.

But also, now we've outlawed family voting is there sufficient support for people who need help to understand a ballot paper, or to mark it? Is it only a concern in particular ethnic communities, or is anyone helping their elderly mum or dad read the ballot a problem? (I understand it's illegal in every case)

I also find it hard to believe that the radical, conservative Islamists are supporting Zach Polanski's Green Party. They won by 4,000 votes. They clearly had widespread and diverse support in the constituency.

Such hilariously bad grace.

A coalition of Islamists and woke progressives otherwise known as VOTERS?

The trouble with populism is that when you claim to stand for what The People (one great big racist monolith) want, then those who don't agree with you can't actually be people - they have to be a negfarious conspiracy. Or subhuman.

Id imagine they won because lots of labours muslim supporters voted green due to the difference in their attitudes towards Gaza. And used , per election observers, a lot of " family" voting ie people, mostly women Id say being essentially forced to vote the way their husband/ father directs.

I'm slightly surprised that mumsnet readers appear to have no problems with people being coerced to vote the way their husband/ father does🤔

Not Reform. Me. I don’t hate many things, but if there is one thing I do hate, it’s a UK party that masquerades as an environmental champion, but the only things they champion is sectarian Islamic politics, Gaza, and taking even more of our hard earned wages to roll out the red carpet for ready made green voters from the third world. The feminist champions that condone dragging wives, daughters, sisters into ballot box and pass concerns off as “right wing bad losers”.

If this unholy alliance of Islam and blue haired pronoun idiots get anywhere near power, lord we’re screwed. I’d consider voting for the Green Party of 15 years ago, but these idiots want locking up, along with all their supporters.

I agree with your last sentence.

As to the rest, its debatable whether the Greens can nationalise their G&D result (I think not), but my broader question is how do you see Starmer’s tenure, now?

If this unholy alliance of Islam and blue haired pronoun idiots get anywhere near power, lord we’re screwed.

Are you Goodwin’s speech writer?

I know plenty of your so-called 'lefties' who voted for Brexit? Equally, plenty of right wingers who voted against. It was never a left and right thing. Not by a long shot.

I thought you wanted me to focus on the Titanic? Yet here you are pulling me back to the deckchairs.

I really don't think its a 'normal' right wing / left wing reaction. Its an extremist reaction.
Politics isnt a straight line going left to right, it's more a circle and if you go round it, left and right are standing right next to each other, back to back.

In my youth, I was a member of the socialist workers party and ime you often find the behaviours are the same, the focus is what differs.

It's so patronising to suggest that a Muslim woman has to be dragged to a ballot box and told how to vote by her husband.
Does it not occur to people that most Muslim women would be able to recognise that a vote for Reform would not be in their best interests and vote accordingly.

I don’t know who Goodwin is, but it sounds like they have the situation well summarised, as do I.

Taking the result about as well.

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