To wonder why right wingers such sore losers?

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Whether it’s Trump crowing about elections being stolen (although not those he actually won) and Farage moaning about “sectarian voting and cheating” in Denton and Gorton, why can’t they just take a defeat on the chin? You win some, you lose some. Congratulate the winner, reflect, and then move on to the next one.

Very happy with the result. First, second and third as wanted.

Not sure what’s going on with the voting issue but if something needs to change then monitor it better, don’t overturn anything.

Like the left did with Brexit? Like the nationalists did with the Scottish independence referendum? Like the democrats did with Trump?

I’m not sure you’ve thought this through.

It doesn't matter who they voted for.

What evidence do you have that Muslim women think differently to Muslim men on these issues and that their votes must have been cast under duress? Because surely there must be evidence of a lot of support for Reform amongst Muslim women to have sparked suspicion the outcome was only achieved because their views were suppressed?

It is concerning. The solution probably isn't just more controls to prevent family voting but needs to include support to those who cannot or are not allowed to vote alone. We shouldn't disenfranchise people from voting.

I remember trying to follow my parent into a voting booth and being told to stand to one side. Last time I voted I was told my children could stand in the booth with me. It is less strict than it was, we should probably tighten it. The issue should be raised, safe and legal elections are important.

I don't see how a rerun would help reform though. Anti reform voters would know how to vote tactically and people would be annoyed at the mucking around.

He was the Reform candidate at G&D. Perhaps stay away from political threads with that degree of ignorance.

I was thinking this too. I've been a poll clerk on and off for years and the rules on only allowing a single person into a voting booth are very strict. I've had to remind people on occasion. But not often.

The accusations from 'political observers' (usually paid for by actual political parties not independent at all) aren't unusual and hard to disprove after the voting is done.

Based on my experience having worked in polling stations. I smell bullshit

Really? On a discussion regarding a by-election you don't know the candidate who came second?

Are you not embarrassed by this?

Exactly, the rules are the rules irrespective of different cultural norms. The system simply wouldn't work if we started making different rules for different cultures.

Personally I think that any political party or person that is polarising is more likely to have groups acting against them in an unfair way. People will do a lot to stop them and almost feel its their ethical duty to do so. Look at some of the rhetoric on Mumsnet and it's pretty easy to see that some people want to stop Reform at all costs. They would absolutely be prepared to break democracy to do this.

I like how much of this thread actually proves the premise. Lots of prejudices about Muslim women coming out!

I don’t think any of those elections or referendums were widely said to be invalid or cheated? There is a difference between moaning about losing and saying you didn’t actually lose. Although of course gerrymandering is a thing and if there has been multiple people in booths they need to seriously address that.

Brexit turned out so well innit.

Can you link to the evidence on this please?

It’s silly because most of the labour voters are unlikely to have automatically voted reform instead. Even if you take a 50/50 split of the labour votes, Green would have come out on top. 🤷🏽‍♀️

All of you would be very much up in arms if same allegations of family voting were mentioned if reform would win... Starting to ferl like fraud is fine if the result is what someone wanted.

I am absolutely not a reform supporter and do not care for religion of voters, but these are serious allegations and should be investigated.

I know the runner up was reform. What I’m embarrassed by is Islam and Gaza having any influence in UK politics.

The left did accept the Brexit result. Brexit happened and the right got what they wanted
and we are all so much better off because of it.......oh wait!

Look at your personal budgets, are you better off since Brexit? I'm guessing most aren't.

P.S we go to vote as a family as it means we can take it in turns watching the kids who aren’t old enough to vote.

It is disappointing that the observers didn’t raise any issues at the polling stations with the trained council staff when they were observing these events. Won’t an investigation after the event be hard to prove. I saw the mention of the conservative peer too.

And in Scotland, the leftie SNP have NEVER accepted the Scottish referendum result

I think the upset in Denton and Gorton comes partly from the fact people were engaging in group voting - literally going into the booths to make sure their family members were voting the way they’d been told - which is highly illegal and basically makes the results meaningless

The issue is not going as a family but more than one person going into a booth at the same time.

Islamophobia and ignorance then. The two do go hand in hand

Have they said the vote result itself was illegal or cheated?

Like that is it?

Yeah, I don’t see him lasting either - surely he’s done now….