Hotels emptying

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..of asylum seekers..
On the news. Are we supposed to be impressed? They are just being shuffled elsewhere, aren't they?

Yes, even if happened once it would be a good deterrent, they are coming from France.

They don’t need to be here

I work with children and a lot of them are in flats now, far less in hotels. Large families crammed into flats, which then causes problems for other long term residents.

The law says they do. Sorry that doesn't fit your narrative.

I’ve worked in the at field, and yes they are. 🤷‍♀️

Which posters are the ‘paid trolls’?

Anybody that doesn't parrot the views she hears in her bubble.

They are not at risk in France or any of the other European countries they travelled across to get here.

Yes, and some of those men even use their background as a defence - many citing ‘cultural differences’ or language barriers and according to this, if he claimed ‘persecution’, he wouldn’t get deported after his sentence. So his safety gets prioritised over the safety of British girls.

From a Telegraph article:

An Afghan asylum seeker tried to defend his rape of a 15-year-old Scottish schoolgirl by citing cultural differences and a language barrier.
Sadeq Nikzad, 29, entered the UK illegally on a small boat in 2023, and later that year subjected the teenager to a terrifying sex attack in broad daylight in Falkirk town centre.

Janice Green, Nikzad’s defence counsel, told an earlier hearing that her client had not been educated about the significant cultural differences between the UK and Afghanistan.

Ms Green also said the schoolgirl’s evidence about language difficulties between them and the fact she had not told the accused “No” meant the offence was “not a typical stranger rape”.
She added: “There are no issues raised by him in relation to fear of persecution, and the ultimate result is that he’ll be deported at the conclusion of his sentence.”

Well just because you want them to claim in France doesn’t mean they have to, or are going to do so - and this is totally legal.

France actually does have and accept many more asylum seekers than the U.K. though that is irrelevant really to the UNHCR or our own rules/laws or international law.

However, how are you going to return a boat to France? It would break international and maritime laws - and leaving the ECHR wouldn’t change this either. It is just not possible. And as the migrants will not be French then France doesn’t have to accept any individual migrant ‘back’ either. The one in, one out is a brokered, specific deal between France/UK - if you think France would agree a blanket deal to keep all asylum seekers then I have to tell you they won’t, as below. Though why you think they should just to suit us is a bit baffling.

It works both ways, as if a French patrol boat intercepted a small boat they can’t take them to the U.K.

These simplistic ideas quite obviously have been considered- in fact Johnson floated this one in 2021 - France was very clear about the breaking of laws, and not accepting this idea - it is just not feasible at all.

None of them should be allowed to stay.

Yes we need to know! The only problem with this is that if they find a way to work out if someone is a dickhead or not and deport them on that basis, the pp might find themselves deported too.

I mean the Trump administration has a blanket travel ban for certain nations. They seemed to have worked it out.

Which pp might find themselves deported too?

Think they were referencing me (a law-abiding British citizen)

That's what I thought.
Idiotic 🙄

yes of course but something does need to be done

Leave the ECHR, leave the UNHCR or whatever.

Just do what the Trump administration is doing. Detain and expedite removal.

Yes, let’s jettison everything that keeps us save so the racists can have free reign. What a sensible idea.

We have millions out of work.
We threw up a Nightingale Hospital building near the O2 in about a week during Covid.

Get a building put up. Get people signed up and trained to process their applications. Get it DONE.
It will cost money, but will also save a fortune in housing and feeding people just waiting for a decision so they can get on with their lives.

The ECHR doesn't keep us safe at all. It prevents the government from deporting foreign criminals.

How will it save a fortune in housing when they have to be put somewhere?

I don’t think some people get that the ECHR isn’t just about this aspect, it covers off an awful lot of other aspects of life that do give protections , the Nazis and unscrupulous business leaders out there would love us to get rid of it as it makes life so much easier to treat people like shit, run riot over decision making etc -maybe actually doing some serious negotiations with other countries on this particular issue and then negotiating with the ECHR might be a far more logical step to take - but no the closed minded are very very keen on cutting off noses to spite face.

Since 1980 the ECHR has ruled on just 29 immigration cases - and only overturned 16 of them.

But you’re thinking that deporting an added migrant every 3 or so years is worth ripping up all UK citizens’ rights as well?

Or are you just spouting right wing media rhetoric without checking?

Once they are processed, they either are returned to their own country or they are free to work and support themselves.
Most, almost certainly, will be returned, as most, almost certainly, are illegal economic migrants and not genuinely in peril.

We need to get them processed, and quickly.

16 too many. Was a big part in preventing Rwanda as well.