Hotels emptying

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..of asylum seekers..
On the news. Are we supposed to be impressed? They are just being shuffled elsewhere, aren't they?

Thank you @MsJinks – good to have facts.

I don't think the Jews were murdering and SAing the locals?

Many Jewish men that fled then joined the host nation's army and fought against the Axis powers.

Indeed - Reform are just an ‘offer simplistic solutions party’ when there are no simple solutions .

Some will have been murderers and sexual abusers. As many people have pointed out to you previously, you cannot tell who is going to be a murderer or sexual abuser just by looking at them, if we could then we could eradicate those crimes tomorrow.

Pretty sure the gvt do that anyway - I’ve lived in Denmark and know Sweden really well - they are very hot on this kind of thing, also really hot on deporting people quickly who don’t have the rights to be there and use squads of people checking on black market employment all the time - and all within the EU too! It was always allowed- the Tory’s just couldn’t be arsed to coordinate it or fund it . They even get rid of Brits, Americans, Australians etc asap if they lose their jobs and can’t get another within a very set period of time. Visas are very much tied to ‘conditions’ -

People might want to delude themselves otherwise but a substantial portion of asylum claimants arriving on boats (and we’ve seen it in more than one criminal trial) purposely destroy anything that may prove their identity, lie about their ages, lie about their country of origin and lie about why they had to flee. They make it as difficult as possible for the authorities to verify their story and by doing so add months or years to their own waiting times for a decision to be made.

I assume (but I admit I cannot be totally sure that'd it be at a much lower rate).

It's been nearly 100 years since the 1930s.

Things have changed, the country has changed. No need to accept these men from the third world in. Especially since we see what consequences are.

Tbf the current method of moving people does see people drown. Recently in the Med too.

Some countries have managed to resolve that risk. But I don’t think we’ll do the same. It’s still a very risky, male centric, vastly profitable system.

You assume based on no knowledge or evidence, your assumptions are based solely on your prejudices.

How many countries do these people travel through to get here? The benefits of living here are too attractive. I also don't have an issue with containment camps while processing takes place. They would be safe, fed, warm and have medical care. Something not everyone who was born here gets.
I have seen groups of migrant men following school girls and yes I am personally aware that we have plenty of home grown rapists. No need to import men from countries we know have no respect for women.

The Nordic nations track crime by ethnicity and it clearly shows foreign borns being over-represented in violent crime. Denmark have laws regarding ethnic enclaves I believe and mandate a ber minimum of "Europeaness" an area must have.

Compare the EU countries that have accepted refugees on mass Vs those that have resisted.

No it certainly isn’t the fault of asylum seekers, I don’t think I implied that. I’m saying we’re in crisis so not an appropriate destination for asylum seekers.

I don’t disagree on the figures , but that’s because native Danes and swedes on the whole are mannered, ordered , pretty law abiding people , I hate the word but it just doesn’t have as much petty crime glorification of ‘chav’ culture as the UK does amongst its Swedish/Danish white population . It stands out that far more crime is committed by certain non nationals or ethnenticities - same too to a slightly lesser extent in Netherlands and Germany - they also control homelessness far better too in these places . I described living in Copenhagen as a giant Waitrose . They also in fairness ghettoised at one point certain areas- you just didn’t go there - since then they have decided it wasn’t the best idea

And what some don’t like to admit is that plenty of less than scrupulous Brits have been involved too -( just to add a bit of hypocracy plenty of the geezers who would vote Reform too) - we used to live in Canterbury - twice I heard conversations between ‘geezers’ discussing such stuff in a pub. nice little earner as Del boy might say

Interesting point. Thanks for sharing.

We live in a society that has turned it's back on thousands of raped children. I care more about that than fit young men who come here as economic migrants.

You obviously don't. When that problem's solved then I'll care about men coming as economic migrants.

The number of men who are not already here who were translators in Afghanistan is very low. And actually, I care more about women in Afghanistan who are left to die because they cannot receive medical care from men and women cannot be HCPs. They deserve asylum here more, but there is no route for them and no space partly because it's all being taken up by fit young men who are more than capable of living in a variety of countries where their human rights are not removed entirely.

Privilege?

It definitely hasn’t been easy for the working class people living here over the centuries unless you were born into wealth with civil war, few human rights till fairly recently, people living in poverty and being exploited, being able to vote as a women was only 100 years’ ago.

this seems to be forgotten

I’ve never read about any?

At least the Jews integrated and kept their heads down, unlike some other cultures

This is exactly what I meant

Which other cultures?

What a ludicrous argument. Are you often reading newspapers from the 1930s?

‘The Jews’ didn’t integrate and keep their heads down. MOST Jews integrated, some will have been criminals.

I assume she means those with ‘brown’ people. Her racism is quite evident. White immigrants good, brown immigrants bad.

What does the data from the Nordic nations (as I mentioned previously show)?

It's disingenuous to think everyone acts and behaves equally regardless of where they are from.

I thought you might find me some evidence. What makes you say they didn’t

I am trying to be honest having lived there and explain why the figures look as they do - my BIL is ex CID and once told me in the UK that the figures for crime were around 78/22 - with roughly 10% ethnic population committing 22% of reported and solved crime. But and it’s a big but - many of those were also born here too and it’s not just Iraqis, Afghans etc, it’s black guys, Asians ( often fraud etc) - all are in those figures. One huge issue is people who come in legally - via holiday /short term visas etc - go on crime sprees over a short term and then bugger off - not just the UK, other places too - I’m a centre/centre left voter but I’m also quite hot on immigration and using the Danish methods - perfectly doable, but it takes consistent money and effort! I do think people looking for simplistic solutions will find there really aren’t any without ending up in a US type situation