Hotels emptying

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..of asylum seekers..
On the news. Are we supposed to be impressed? They are just being shuffled elsewhere, aren't they?

Can you find me a way of looking into the future to tell me which person is going to be a criminal and which person is going to be a hero? Yes, it's called statistical analysis.

Allowing large numbers of young men into the country who are not fleeing a war zone (e.g. Afghan men) and come from a country which believes that women should not have human rights is probably a good indication of whether they'll commit crimes against women. And indeed they do at a much higher rate than other groups of men.

You'll note that we don't have boatloads of women Afghan refugees. If we did I seriously doubt there'd be the same concerns about hotels full of only Afghan women and the (virtually non existent, since men commit 98% of sexual violence) risk they'll pose to school children in the area.

All groups of people are not equal in terms of the risk they pose and some groups of people are much higher risk. Why should the wants (to claim Asylum in the UK and benefit from UK state spending) of some groups of people who pose higher risk be placed above the safety of the children in the communities they are placed in?

‘Illegals’

Nice.

They are not all asylum seekers- some are economic migrants, we don’t know whether they are criminals, drug dealers etc. We don’t know because they destroy their documents. Perhaps if people arrive with no documents they should be automatically refused asylum? Plus, if they are that desperate why don’t they stay in another safe country rather than risk a dangerous crossing to get here? Is it because we are offering more, is it because they have relatives here, is it because of the English language? I think we know the reason!

I totally agree. Inhumane. I hope that I am not one of them. Let's not go there.

Today has been the worst ever on social media. I have flu so nothing better to do than sit on my phone. And it's been hugely depressing.

What has happened to us as a society? We seemed to have gone backwards rather than developing. How have so many people become so cruel in their outlook? If they've not been equating refugee with criminal/rapist/slur of their choice, they've been being incredibly ableist and mocking or blaming someone who's had the most difficult life and yet spent much if it advocating for those with Tourettes.

I'm actually finding it scary that people have become so irrationally cruel, and I'm scared for my children and grandchildren.

It’s ironic isn’t it that the Tory’s created a great many of the issues- started with Thatcher selling off anything that moved and gerrymandering votes by letting people buy council houses cheaply etc, then we come on to austerity - designed to say ‘hey aren’t we good at keeping a hand on our public purse’ but turned out to be like an old person not spending out and letting your house go to rack and ruin - but oops we’ve found a ton of money behind the sofa to pay for a Brexit that only became an issue when we thought Farage might steal some votes. But never mind it’s only working out about 7% of GDP down the pisser. And now we have jenrick, Braverman etc busy saying how the country has gone to pot and is broken - they bloody well broke it, what total hypocrites- they left Labour a total shit show and they know it .

And again, I will say about the immigrant who saved lives on the train. Had he not been here then lives may have been lost. British lives he saved at a personal cost.

Please tell me, how can you tell in advance who is going to be a criminal and who is going to be a hero? I've asked before.

I've said similar on many threads this evening. There is no kindness given to people who are in turmoil. Thank you for putting it all so eloquently.

Agree. And the ONLY way to seek sanctuary (asylum) is to get here first. You can’t do it from elsewhere (or certainly couldn’t a couple of years ago). So you HAVE to get onto UK soil in order to start a claim for sanctuary. If you need to seek safety here, you have to arrive here illegally. You have to be ‘illegal’ for a period of time.

It isn't about pigshit thick racists, or flag shaggers, or Reform nonce apologists.
It is economics.
As long as there is a profit for criminals to ship people over here they will find a way to do it.
Simple economics.
Drug dealers sell drugs because people buy them thinking it is harmless.
Women and children get abused because the pornification of society makes it profitable.
Shoplifters make money because people buy cheap chocolate/perfume etc.
If everyone stopped using non-British businesses there would be no economic incentive for non-British people to be in Britain.

https://www.rescue.org/uk/article/why-dont-refugees-stay-first-country-they-reach

@saraclara there’s an awfully huge amount of cash behind the right wing agenda , some people are genuine, others not so much so - and I’m afraid the media is extremely slanted that way too, lots of Facebook local sites with little ‘digs ‘ and hey aren’t we local’ but nope they are controlled by same people as Mail/Express etc - still waiting I’m afraid for those Brexit sunlit uplands!! We are off to Netherlands in 3 weeks and making business enquiries to take ours with us-everywhere has issues but UK has very specific ones that in my opinion are worse due to Brexit and also a real lack of a lot of people giving a shit about anything - fly tipping, aggressive driving, rude to partners in the street, stealing as a sport - and don’t say it’s the gvt, it’s been like this for years!!

Maybe they should let the local legal people who are rough sleeping on the streets use those rooms if they are still being paid for. Those number are rising

No coke, cadburys, Apple, Walkers crisps, most cars, Dulux paint... I could continue!

Not a lot left to buy that's sold only by British businesses. Bit dull.

Seen all that before. Still doesn’t answer the question of why anyone would risk their lives on a dangerous crossing to get here, when they have safer alternatives.

Yes and vast costs hmo with no bills for 5 years
True costs are glossed over. 600 extra to house this week....not veterans or parents with children stuck in emergency accommodation. The gov. rely on voter apathy

Seen it all before and yet you think it's down to benefits as the main pull? Ok.

Rough sleepers don't want a proper roof over their heads. Their problems are way more complex. They're reluctant to even use our night shelter because doing so will mean not drinking or using drugs while they're there.

It's desperately sad that they're in that state, but giving them a room in those hotels is not going to help.

One of the biggest differences as to why people feel differently is how much they have to compete with asylum seekers and poorer immigrants at the poorer end of society. I will never have to worry about an HMO near me because I have enough money to just move very easily. Plus it’s unlikely any house would be converted as houses are long term family homes here and are so expensive for the area as an investment it wouldn't be a good deal compared to a comparable size house in the poorer end of town. Landlords would buy those as a far better profit margin. We have a relatively recent immigrant family on our road, they are from Hong Kong and both their children attend the local private school, one is an academic, unsure what the other one does. For sure net contributors.

As ever it’s all about economics really.

Even migrants have admitted this when being interviewed- they say it’s much better here!

How on earth does the Home Office immigration officers decide who can stay and who can’t? If thousands of people have identical stories then how do they differentiate between genuine people and not genuine people? If the Home Office can’t tell what nationality they are what then ?

Also it’s fine being kind to people but how can you put a number on it? A thousand? A million?

Surely for every 100 people the UK helps, there will be 1000 more behind them?

Immigration numbers - how is this considered? Genuine question as no one actually has an answer I don’t think.

Jewish children who arrived here weren’t in the habit of raping us and murdering us.
Reported rape has gone up since 2015 (so a decade) by 155%.
Gone UP by 155%.
Do you think white British men have suddenly become really rapey in the last decade?
How many more of us??
Hiw many will be too many?
It seems to me that the safety of illegal male immigrants outweigh the needs of our children.
Frankly I’m appalled how WOMEN can put the needs of these, mainly Muslim men, over the safety of our own girls. Our CHILDREN ffs!!
How many more have to be raped and murdered before the ‘we welcome refugees’ loons stop?

Do you realise that there is no route for people to apply for asylum before they enter the country? These are people who are desperately fleeing unsafe situations and they are not allowed to apply until they are on British soil so they don't have much choice. Blame the system, not the 'illegals' and have some compassion.

You'd think genuine asylum seekers would be keen to prove who they are and why they need asylum. So would try and keep documentation, not destroy it. E.g. Afghan women would presumably have a good asylum claim since they're not allowed to speak or get an education or a job or medical care at all in their home country. They would need to do everything they can to prove they are from Afghanistan to claim asylum.

And yet France gives more money for asylum seekers, and provides housing.
If I remember right, asylum seekers can start working in France quicker too.