Hotels emptying

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..of asylum seekers..
On the news. Are we supposed to be impressed? They are just being shuffled elsewhere, aren't they?

I have a family member who moans about "illegals". This family member of mine officially left school at 16, but really he wasn't there much from about 12. No qualifications. Done a lot of drugs in his time and indirectly funded a lot of organised crime. Done a few jobs, fiddled some tax, spent a lot of time on benefits, smokes, drinks, used the NHS a LOT. He claimed he'd retired due to ill health at 48, but really he just stopped working and sponged off the state and his immediate family. Anyway, I was chatting to a volunteer where I work the other day, she was telling me she came to the UK as an asylum seeker. She's got a degree and a postgraduate degree. She now works full time in the UK as a teacher in a specialist base. She also does volunteering. My family member thinks she's an 'illegal' trying to make the UK go to the dogs.

Doesn't matter if we do send them home they just come back

Not according to the BMA.

“The NHS has a chronic workforce crisis, driven by years of inadequate workforce planning, lack of accountability for workforce issues and recurrent failure to value and invest in staff. Without action to better train and retain the doctors the NHS needs, staffing levels with continue to fall short of demand, further impacting working conditions, waiting lists and care quality”

There was definitely something in the news last year about this and it was discussed on mumsnet

So does that not tell you how desperate these people are? Risk their lives for this?

Yes, yes you are

Don't listen to everything the BMA says.

https://www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/Action/2025/Jul/Newly-registered-nurse-jobs-crisis-Use-us-or-lose-us

Did your yellowshirt used to be brown?

Another house gone? And I thought builders built houses...

Good grief, do you not understand what journalists do? What a world without journalists would be like?

And you're moving the goalposts. 1st of all it was a person being threatening, now just the mere act on reporting this outrageous state of affairs is now bothering the law - by being there. Not sure by how reporting is interfering, lol. Wow!

Are you Putin? Trump? Because it's dictators who go around shooting journalists and think that's ok. I do think you're just a wind up.

To leave war torn France? I've been to France many times, it's actually quite nice there. And not all that dissimilar to the UK.

Databases of fingerprints etc will stop them being successful. And removed faster because do not have to go through any investigations. They won't keep coming back but they may try other countries.

Yeah, you don't understand anything written. Good day to you.

I’ll take facts and figures over an article sharing the views of one nurse.

England has fewer doctors per capita than other comparable countries
The average number of doctors per 1,000 people across the EU members of the OECD, for which data is available, is currently 3.9. Germany has 4.5. England, by comparison, has just 3.2 and would need an additional 40,000 doctors to reach the OECD EU average.

There are other sources, I was trying to illustrate my point

it was definitely in the news last year

It's just crowd control and journalists happen to be caught up. It's non lethal.

Bullshit.

Good

So you want them removed?

Lots of untrue things are in the ‘news’.

I'm not going to say ICE is perfect. They've been over zealous and tried detaining legal US citizens. But they have successfully deported illegal. And the current US administration simply says "no" to asylum claims and send them back.

Since many asylum seekers defy the no work restrictions and find themselves work then they are showing a lot more enterprising spirit and energy than the flakey 1,000,000 home grown NEETs the country has produced who are happy to sit at home. If overseas students are allowed to work for 20 hours a week I think there is an argument to allow asylum seekers that option too.

Well yes, if they have failed, they've failed for a good reason. Why wouldn't I want them removed?

A person can be ok with helping people that are from horrific circumstances escape hell and ok with sending back known criminals or people who are fibbing about their circumstances you know. It doesn't have to be 'either - or'.

I just refuse to demonise people who need our help and until processed we cannot tell who is who and sadly because of a shit government this takes time. (though Labour are speeding things up and getting through the backlog they inherited)

Did you not see the video footage of Renee Goode being shot in the face by ICE agents after dropping her child off at school?

I'm very glad that journalists were there and able to show the world how brutal they are.

how on earth is it not illegal? travelling to a country with a visa, passport, ID, etc, that is legal movement of people. Chucking your documents and paying criminals to force your way into a country is the very opposite of that. If I tried to force my way into another country without documents I would be refused entry (quite rightly)