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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:55

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:49

So if you're sexually assaulted by a person who couldn't help it due to a disability, then it's your fault for feeling 'aggrieved'?

Wow, we're comparing rape with fucking words now? Jesus christ. Ever heard the expression Sticks and Stones? Get some perspective please.

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:58

Obviously if someone's disability or mental capacity means that they physically harm others or sexually assault them, the expectation is that they be detained and cared for, for both their sake and for society.

Tourettes sufferers however largely vocalise and tic - it's obviously not nice to be on the receiving end of a slur or an insult, but that's exactly why people like John have campaigned so hard to raise awareness - so that hopefully people will understand that there's no bad intent, it's their illness and it's entirely unintentional. Ultimately, it's words.

So I'm not convinced that comparing words to a sexaul assault is helpful or relevant when where's talking about Tourettes sufferers. It feels actually a bit uncomfortable.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:00

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:54

Strawman again

But, ultimately, yes. If someone assaults you in any way due to their disability then it's on you to work out how to deal with those feelings and blaming them for their involuntary actions isn't fair nor reasonable

It's not a strawman. If your argument is logical, then it should hold up regardless of severity.

And wow. Talk about victim blaming. That's insane.

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 13:01

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:55

Wow, we're comparing rape with fucking words now? Jesus christ. Ever heard the expression Sticks and Stones? Get some perspective please.

Yeah, it's seems like having your feelings hurt is literally one of the worst crimes in the world now.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:04

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:55

Wow, we're comparing rape with fucking words now? Jesus christ. Ever heard the expression Sticks and Stones? Get some perspective please.

Nope. I'm not comparing them at all - one is clearly far, far worse. I'm pointing out that a pp's logic is inconsistent.

PP said:

"Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I said:

I dislike this sort of logic, as it doesn't work if you scale up in severity, say, with a disability that results in violence. I feel like a logical explanation should work for minor issues and major ones.

What I don't like is the argument that people are choosing to be upset, or choosing to be offended, out of some kind of ableist malice. One can argue that the disabled person can't help their actions and doesn't intend them, but imo one should not say that a person is being unreasonable or 'choosing to take offence' for being negatively affected by those actions.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:06

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 13:01

Yeah, it's seems like having your feelings hurt is literally one of the worst crimes in the world now.

Why are people so incapable of understanding differences in degree and not kind? Or the fact that certain arguments are actually incoherent, as highlighted when you try to apply them to something of the same kind, but of a more severe degree?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:09

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:58

Obviously if someone's disability or mental capacity means that they physically harm others or sexually assault them, the expectation is that they be detained and cared for, for both their sake and for society.

Tourettes sufferers however largely vocalise and tic - it's obviously not nice to be on the receiving end of a slur or an insult, but that's exactly why people like John have campaigned so hard to raise awareness - so that hopefully people will understand that there's no bad intent, it's their illness and it's entirely unintentional. Ultimately, it's words.

So I'm not convinced that comparing words to a sexaul assault is helpful or relevant when where's talking about Tourettes sufferers. It feels actually a bit uncomfortable.

My point is very simple, and not difficult to understand: It is not helpful or accurate to say "Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I don't think this is true, as shown if you raise the severity of the issue at hand. I think that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

YorkshireGoldie · 24/02/2026 13:10

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:14

Well, hey now, you're discriminating against a person with a mental health condition. What does them undergoing therapy have to do with anything? And why are you expecting them to somehow control their condition, and magically not feel triggered?

Hmm, so if someone punches me in the face, I'm responsible for feeling upset...? I don't think so.

Firstly , no I don’t think I have discriminated against a person with a mental health condition, would you like me to say I DON’T hope they are getting therapy?

I haven’t had any experience of people with ED, but I would hope the therapy and treatment they are receiving would help with dealing in their mind with outside opinions and comments on their disorder.

if someone punches you in the face you will feel physical pain and maybe become injured. That is in no way relevant to anything I have said, please stop grasping at straws

Moonmelodies · 24/02/2026 13:11

If I were to have a medical condition in a restaurant, and it caused me to vomit on someone, should I then apologise to them, or expect them to ignore it?

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:12

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:04

Nope. I'm not comparing them at all - one is clearly far, far worse. I'm pointing out that a pp's logic is inconsistent.

PP said:

"Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I said:

I dislike this sort of logic, as it doesn't work if you scale up in severity, say, with a disability that results in violence. I feel like a logical explanation should work for minor issues and major ones.

What I don't like is the argument that people are choosing to be upset, or choosing to be offended, out of some kind of ableist malice. One can argue that the disabled person can't help their actions and doesn't intend them, but imo one should not say that a person is being unreasonable or 'choosing to take offence' for being negatively affected by those actions.

Right, so you absolutely are comparing words with rape.

A word does not have a physical impact, you do not get injured from it, you do not risk pregnancy or an STD, you don't get PTSD from words and words dont over power you and take away your atonomy. If someone is raped by someone with a disability who couldn't help it, she has every right to be angry. Does that means its his fault? No, but its understandable that someone would be angry after such a vile assault.

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS WORDS.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:14

YorkshireGoldie · 24/02/2026 13:10

Firstly , no I don’t think I have discriminated against a person with a mental health condition, would you like me to say I DON’T hope they are getting therapy?

I haven’t had any experience of people with ED, but I would hope the therapy and treatment they are receiving would help with dealing in their mind with outside opinions and comments on their disorder.

if someone punches you in the face you will feel physical pain and maybe become injured. That is in no way relevant to anything I have said, please stop grasping at straws

I'm not sure how them having therapy is relevant at all?

I would hope the therapy and treatment they are receiving would help with dealing in their mind with outside opinions and comments on their disorder.

It feels a little hypocritical that you expect a person with one condition to manage and control their disorder in order to accommodate others, but not another.

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:14

Moonmelodies · 24/02/2026 13:11

If I were to have a medical condition in a restaurant, and it caused me to vomit on someone, should I then apologise to them, or expect them to ignore it?

Apologise. And once you have, do you expect to be told to apologise again?

NemesisInferior · 24/02/2026 13:14

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:09

My point is very simple, and not difficult to understand: It is not helpful or accurate to say "Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I don't think this is true, as shown if you raise the severity of the issue at hand. I think that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

This really is a very stupid argument.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 13:15

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:00

It's not a strawman. If your argument is logical, then it should hold up regardless of severity.

And wow. Talk about victim blaming. That's insane.

It's literally "but if this then this"

It's also not victim blaming

We can only control our own actions and reminding ourselves other people can't always control their own is part of that

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:16

NemesisInferior · 24/02/2026 13:14

This really is a very stupid argument.

Yep, its like saying we should all be terrified of candles, because if you 'raise the severity' it could kill you.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:16

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:12

Right, so you absolutely are comparing words with rape.

A word does not have a physical impact, you do not get injured from it, you do not risk pregnancy or an STD, you don't get PTSD from words and words dont over power you and take away your atonomy. If someone is raped by someone with a disability who couldn't help it, she has every right to be angry. Does that means its his fault? No, but its understandable that someone would be angry after such a vile assault.

THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS WORDS.

Nope. I'm saying there's a difference in degree, not kind. Although clearly you've never been bullied by people who used 'just words', which can absolutely be destructive and traumatising.

So someone can be angry after a vile assault, but not be upset after a vile racial slur?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:20

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:16

Yep, its like saying we should all be terrified of candles, because if you 'raise the severity' it could kill you.

Nope. Nothing like that at all.

My point is simply that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

Quine0nline · 24/02/2026 13:21

Surely the issue is "intent" or "intent to offend". If a person has a condition which they have no control of they cannot be held culpable.

It does not mean that person at whom the comment was made cannot be upset by the comment, but in context of the condition.

YorkshireGoldie · 24/02/2026 13:22

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:14

I'm not sure how them having therapy is relevant at all?

I would hope the therapy and treatment they are receiving would help with dealing in their mind with outside opinions and comments on their disorder.

It feels a little hypocritical that you expect a person with one condition to manage and control their disorder in order to accommodate others, but not another.

I’m not sure how I’ve been hypocritical? Please clarify?

The therapy a person with an ED receives is to help oneself, not to accommodate others?

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 13:22

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:14

Which ethnicity were you referring to when you said you could guess the ethnicity of the person who left in the n word and took out free Palestine?

Hey if it isn’t Jews I apologise but can you blame me for assuming? I live with these intentional undertones day in day out and I call it out because I refuse to sit politely and cop it.

So what if you have Jews in your family - doesn’t mean you can’t be antisemitic. It’s a bit “I love black people!” when someone’s said something a bit racist

My daughter is part black, and her DF is Jewish. HTH 🙄

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 13:23

It's also not so much choosing not to be offended as we have a choice how we continue to act

I'm wording this badly.

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:23

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:16

Nope. I'm saying there's a difference in degree, not kind. Although clearly you've never been bullied by people who used 'just words', which can absolutely be destructive and traumatising.

So someone can be angry after a vile assault, but not be upset after a vile racial slur?

I'd suggest you don't make assumptions about me, you know nothing about me and have no idea what I've been through in my life.

Someone can understandably be angry at a rape, even if it wasnt the rapistists fault. People who get hurt and angry over a word being shouted in a crowded room by someone who couldn't help it, should be able to rise above it and not be so thin skinned, because its just a word.
It's called perspective.

NemesisInferior · 24/02/2026 13:23

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:20

Nope. Nothing like that at all.

My point is simply that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

Fairly obviously, there is such a huge gulf between the harm done that it's a completely ridiculous comparison to make.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:26

NemesisInferior · 24/02/2026 13:23

Fairly obviously, there is such a huge gulf between the harm done that it's a completely ridiculous comparison to make.

So to clarify, you think that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, and that they are actively choosing to feel bad about it?

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:27

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:20

Nope. Nothing like that at all.

My point is simply that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

So you get upset every time you hear a man call woman a bitch, to this extent?