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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 02/03/2026 19:13

SALaw · 02/03/2026 18:47

That’s exactly what happened to John at school, as the brilliant documentaries from the time and the recent film shows. He was ostracised, belted, shunned etc for it. As you would advocate for, apparently.

I'm mot advocating for anything, you've just made that bit up 👍

SALaw · 02/03/2026 19:24

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 02/03/2026 19:13

I'm mot advocating for anything, you've just made that bit up 👍

What’s your point then? You seem to be saying people should not accept that a child with Tourettes might be in their child’s class?

SpaceRaccoon · 02/03/2026 19:41

SALaw · 02/03/2026 19:24

What’s your point then? You seem to be saying people should not accept that a child with Tourettes might be in their child’s class?

https://x.com/concretemilk/status/2026336282683539931

I don't know how anyone can look at this footage and be so cruel to children with Tourettes.

Damo (@concretemilk) on X

This is how Tourette's can impact the people who live with it. I'm sure demanding that they issue relentless apologies for their tics would be a massive help, right?

https://x.com/concretemilk/status/2026336282683539931

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 20:26

SALaw · 02/03/2026 18:47

That’s exactly what happened to John at school, as the brilliant documentaries from the time and the recent film shows. He was ostracised, belted, shunned etc for it. As you would advocate for, apparently.

My 9yo DS would absolutely love it if someone shouted swear words in his class🤣 I can’t say my response would be to pearl clutch but perhaps tell my DS what Tourette’s is and to remind him we are kind to those less fortunate. It’s just words, they hear them eventually

Triskellion75 · 02/03/2026 20:28

SALaw · 02/03/2026 18:43

It’s so upsetting seeing various stars in the USA punch down at a working class, ordinary Scottish man with a terrible neurological condition that has deeply impacted his whole life, relationships, work etc. He is a private citizen, not a public figure, not a celebrity. He is only in the public eye due to the work he has done over many years to try to educate people so as to improve the lives of people with the same condition, especially young people. He had a film made about his life and BAFTA celebrated the story and the actors, then turned their back on him due to the very thing the film was about. Where are all the be kinders? Where are all the outspoken celebrities? Where is Maxine Peake, respected and with the ear of many who plays the woman that understood so well that John Davidson COULD NOT HELP what he said or did?!

If he was trans she'd be right in there.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 20:34

SpaceRaccoon · 02/03/2026 19:41

https://x.com/concretemilk/status/2026336282683539931

I don't know how anyone can look at this footage and be so cruel to children with Tourettes.

This little boy is now a drummer and had a small role in I Swear

I remember seeing this documentary when it first aired and I thought about that poor little boy for years.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 20:39

Triskellion75 · 02/03/2026 20:28

If he was trans she'd be right in there.

Yes Maxine Peake is an incredible actress, probably my favourite. But she comes across as a terrible human being

HeisseWeisseSchokolade · 02/03/2026 20:44

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:22

Ok, as I pointed out do you not apologise for hurting people even if it wasn’t your Intent? Why is this different?

Do rap singers apologise when the N word is in every second line? Does poor Michael Jordan suffer a meltdown every time he hears a rap song?

Triskellion75 · 02/03/2026 21:06

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 20:39

Yes Maxine Peake is an incredible actress, probably my favourite. But she comes across as a terrible human being

Absolute throbber.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:08

HeisseWeisseSchokolade · 02/03/2026 20:44

Do rap singers apologise when the N word is in every second line? Does poor Michael Jordan suffer a meltdown every time he hears a rap song?

Apparently that’s different and to raise it is racist

I was watching the American Cirme Story series recently and Nathan Lane says it repeatedly. I did some searches, and found NOTHING calling for him to apologise.

So apparently it’s fine when wealthy white men say it on purpose in the pursuit of making money, but when working class white men with a neurological disorder that is literally out of their control say it, it’s racism.

I don’t think John’s critics have thought any of this through at all. The hypocrisy is astounding.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:09

Triskellion75 · 02/03/2026 21:06

Absolute throbber.

Quite

She’s so excellent at her job though that I try to forget she blamed George Floyd’s death on the Jews

Triskellion75 · 02/03/2026 21:12

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:09

Quite

She’s so excellent at her job though that I try to forget she blamed George Floyd’s death on the Jews

Jesus, WTF?

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:14

Triskellion75 · 02/03/2026 21:12

Jesus, WTF?

Yep, she said that the officers who knelt of Floyd’s neck were trained by Israeli forces on how to kill black people. Something that has no truth in it and is very damaging at feeding into antisemitic blood libel tropes.
She also supports Steptoe. Sorry, Corbyn.
go figure

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:15

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

He has apologised. But not for having Tourettes. Have you seen what he's been on the other end of this week?

SALaw · 02/03/2026 21:19

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 20:39

Yes Maxine Peake is an incredible actress, probably my favourite. But she comes across as a terrible human being

Her Scottish accent in “I Swear” was TERRIBLE, so there’s that too.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:21

SALaw · 02/03/2026 21:19

Her Scottish accent in “I Swear” was TERRIBLE, so there’s that too.

It really was. Not her finest hour.

I was gobsmacked when I learnt that Robert Aramayo was not Scottish. His Galashiels accent was perfection.

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:24

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:14

Yep, she said that the officers who knelt of Floyd’s neck were trained by Israeli forces on how to kill black people. Something that has no truth in it and is very damaging at feeding into antisemitic blood libel tropes.
She also supports Steptoe. Sorry, Corbyn.
go figure

I like Jeremy Corbyn. He's not Steptoe. Why would you even try to make this about Corbyn just because Maxine hasn't spoken out? I don't vote Labour btw and never did when Corbyn was leader so I have no dog in this fight

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Maxine Peake and Jeremy Corbyn?

Why don't people just support John and leave other people out if it

Why does everything have to come back to people disliking someone like Corbyn and nothing to do with the hate that John has had in the press from people who should know better

Maxine was in a film so she should have spoken out?

The issue is about John. The BBC. It has zilch to do with an actress and even less to do with Corbyn

Keep your own prejudice out of this issue eh?

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:24

SALaw · 02/03/2026 21:19

Her Scottish accent in “I Swear” was TERRIBLE, so there’s that too.

This is parody at this point.

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:25

No concern for John. Just horrible points scoring. Yuk!

SALaw · 02/03/2026 21:29

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:24

This is parody at this point.

Parody to say her accent was terrible in reply to a person saying she was a wonderful actress? Your name implies your Scottish so I’d be shocked if you disagreed. Your other post says people have no concern for John. I assume you don’t mean me, as it doesn’t take long to read my posts on this.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:29

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:24

I like Jeremy Corbyn. He's not Steptoe. Why would you even try to make this about Corbyn just because Maxine hasn't spoken out? I don't vote Labour btw and never did when Corbyn was leader so I have no dog in this fight

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Maxine Peake and Jeremy Corbyn?

Why don't people just support John and leave other people out if it

Why does everything have to come back to people disliking someone like Corbyn and nothing to do with the hate that John has had in the press from people who should know better

Maxine was in a film so she should have spoken out?

The issue is about John. The BBC. It has zilch to do with an actress and even less to do with Corbyn

Keep your own prejudice out of this issue eh?

I didn’t actually say that Maxine Peake should speak out, so you’re barking up the wrong tree. I was building on what other people said that she’s not a very nice person so probably wont

Jeremy Corbyn is antisemitic. Aside from huge scores of proof, he’s peddled blood libels AGAIN this week. As a Jewish woman, this makes me unsafe. We got there because sometimes threads develop into other conversations

And no I’m not one to pipe down when talking about one of the most dangerous antisemites this country has ever produced.

SALaw · 02/03/2026 21:30

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:24

I like Jeremy Corbyn. He's not Steptoe. Why would you even try to make this about Corbyn just because Maxine hasn't spoken out? I don't vote Labour btw and never did when Corbyn was leader so I have no dog in this fight

What the fuck does any of this have to do with Maxine Peake and Jeremy Corbyn?

Why don't people just support John and leave other people out if it

Why does everything have to come back to people disliking someone like Corbyn and nothing to do with the hate that John has had in the press from people who should know better

Maxine was in a film so she should have spoken out?

The issue is about John. The BBC. It has zilch to do with an actress and even less to do with Corbyn

Keep your own prejudice out of this issue eh?

I didn’t say anything about Corbyn or George Floyd. I DO think she should speak out given the role she plays in the film on his life and the research I assume she would have made. Have you watched it?

SALaw · 02/03/2026 21:32

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:29

I didn’t actually say that Maxine Peake should speak out, so you’re barking up the wrong tree. I was building on what other people said that she’s not a very nice person so probably wont

Jeremy Corbyn is antisemitic. Aside from huge scores of proof, he’s peddled blood libels AGAIN this week. As a Jewish woman, this makes me unsafe. We got there because sometimes threads develop into other conversations

And no I’m not one to pipe down when talking about one of the most dangerous antisemites this country has ever produced.

I said she should. This incident was specifically at an awards ceremony for actors and film industry types ie her people and they have turned on the man she starred in a film about. She is respected and would have a particular gravitas amongst the audience of her peers.

YiddlySquat · 02/03/2026 21:32

scottishgirl69 · 02/03/2026 21:25

No concern for John. Just horrible points scoring. Yuk!

There are almost 900 posts on this thread, and you only read the last 5 🤣

SpaceRaccoon · 02/03/2026 21:35

This has taken a weird turn.