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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:55

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:52

Tourette’s isn’t racist, correct.

Im arguing he pronounced the R because he Scottish and that’s what Scottish people do. Not because it’s a “worse” pronunciation. Generally Tourette’s suffers speak in their own accent when ticcing

Im confused as to why you’re confused. Have you never heard a Scottish person speak?

You're clearly being deliberately obtuse as it's not about accents - and if you're not being obtuse, then perhaps you could educate yourself on the use of the n-word.

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:56

UnctuousUnicorns · 24/02/2026 11:54

No, and no. I wasn't comparing myself to JD, because disabled people aren't a homogeneous mass. However, if I hurt somebody , I would say sorry.
That's all I was saying.

And if a person with Tourette’s said sorry to everyone they ticced near, aside from never get a thing done, this would only add to their crush e self esteem. They’d also literally be apologising for being disabled. Isn’t it just better that people are just more understanding of the lack of control people with Tourette’s have?

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:57

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 11:55

https://x.com/i/status/2026217991805735006

I've posted this short clip on another thread here is is again. It's John and some fellow sufferers, from a documentary a few years ago. They swear, shout offensive words, racial and homophobic slurs. None of it is intentional. It is their disability.
It's literally a couple of minutes. Please watch and learn.

Also please remember that the person being pilloried by the likes of Jamie Foxx is a working class janitor who was forced to leave school with no qualifications, has been beaten with a crowbar and arrested, due to his condition. He had no power or privilege. I that context the pile-on has been obscene.

If anyone deserves a bit of grace, it's John.
A friend of mine went to school with him and still lived in the same town as him and I've never seen him so angry as yesterday due to John's treatment.

Perfectly put

The notion that John is more privileged than a millionaire actor like Jamie Foxx is laughable.

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:00

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:20

What ethnicity are you guessing??

That's between me and God..lol

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:01

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:55

You're clearly being deliberately obtuse as it's not about accents - and if you're not being obtuse, then perhaps you could educate yourself on the use of the n-word.

Of course it’s about accents.
Why do YOU think he pronounced the R in the n word?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:01

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:35

Well, for starters, people who work with those people are literally trained and paid to deal with it, and choose to do so on a daily basis.

And wow. I didn't say blame the person, I said 'feeling upset'. So if someone gets punched in the face by a disabled person, they're somehow the one at fault if they feel upset?

That's a wild take. I presume you can extrapolate that to sexual assault, and all sorts. If a person has a disability and can't help it, then it's your fault if you feel upset!

That's called strawman

If you continue to feel aggrieved by what someone did to you which they have no control over, then yea it is on you

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:01

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:00

That's between me and God..lol

I’ll hazard a guess that you think a Jew decided this?

Laserwho · 24/02/2026 12:05

Time to take the thread down. This is bullying. Enough is enough.

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:05

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:01

I’ll hazard a guess that you think a Jew decided this?

I'll hazard a guess that when I said it was between me and God, you did not believe me..

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:06

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:05

I'll hazard a guess that when I said it was between me and God, you did not believe me..

No I dont

Usually when there’s outrage about Palestine censorship + a conspiracy that a “certain ethnicity” is behind something dodgy, people mean Jews. We aren’t stupid FYI.

Moooooooooooooooooo · 24/02/2026 12:09

Fuck off. John has nothing to apologise for.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:10

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:01

That's called strawman

If you continue to feel aggrieved by what someone did to you which they have no control over, then yea it is on you

Wow. I mean, just wow.

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:12

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:06

No I dont

Usually when there’s outrage about Palestine censorship + a conspiracy that a “certain ethnicity” is behind something dodgy, people mean Jews. We aren’t stupid FYI.

Well, clearly you ARE stupid as I was on about letting the word n*gger slide and not editing it out.

Oh, and just so you know, I have Jewish people in my family..🙄

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:14

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:12

Well, clearly you ARE stupid as I was on about letting the word n*gger slide and not editing it out.

Oh, and just so you know, I have Jewish people in my family..🙄

Which ethnicity were you referring to when you said you could guess the ethnicity of the person who left in the n word and took out free Palestine?

Hey if it isn’t Jews I apologise but can you blame me for assuming? I live with these intentional undertones day in day out and I call it out because I refuse to sit politely and cop it.

So what if you have Jews in your family - doesn’t mean you can’t be antisemitic. It’s a bit “I love black people!” when someone’s said something a bit racist

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 12:18

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

Disablist much?
Check your privilege

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 12:23

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:25

@Pollqueenare you by any chance a POC? I bet other posters aren’t, something tells me this needs a unique lived experience to understand. In the nicest way possible I’m not trying to offend.

@notaurewhatusername are you by any chance someone who suffers with tourette syndrome? I bet you aren’t, something tells me this needs a unique lived experience to understand.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 12:27

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:25

https://nen.press/i-swear-overreaction-tourettes-action-statement/

This is the Tourettes Action statement.

In a sane world, everyone would read it, agree, and move on.

Good statement.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:28

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:25

https://nen.press/i-swear-overreaction-tourettes-action-statement/

This is the Tourettes Action statement.

In a sane world, everyone would read it, agree, and move on.

That's a great statement.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:30

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:46

I think that posters means when workers are assaulted by a disabled person they accept that the intent and control is not the same as being assaulted by someone who is not disabled.

That's exactly what I meant

They accept and understand that being physically hurt by a service user is not the same as being assaulted by someone intentionally

EmeraldShamrock000 · 24/02/2026 12:33

The man has apologised. Imagine the worst thing that popped into your head came out of your mouth, especially things that you definitely shouldn’t say, it gets bigger and bigger until it comes out.
The organisation should apologise and should have used a delay to bleep it out. He should not have to apologise again.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:40

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:10

Wow. I mean, just wow.

It's true

You can only control your own reaction

If you continue to feel aggrieved even after being made aware, or after reminding yourself, that the person meant no harm or offence then it's your own reactions and down to you

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:49

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:24

Because while they are not the same in degree, they are the same in kind, and if your explanation is sound, it should work no matter the degree.

For instance, I could say, "a lion is not to blame for attacking people, as it is only doing what its nature dictates". That would cover every severity of degree, from being lunged at, to a bad scratch, to a bite, to being mauled to death.
But saying that the lion isn't to blame, so people are choosing to feel bad doesn't make sense.

So you think lions owe us all an apology for the humans they've killed? Or would that be fucking stupid, because a lion is just doing what a lion does?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:49

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:40

It's true

You can only control your own reaction

If you continue to feel aggrieved even after being made aware, or after reminding yourself, that the person meant no harm or offence then it's your own reactions and down to you

So if you're sexually assaulted by a person who couldn't help it due to a disability, then it's your fault for feeling 'aggrieved'?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:54

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:49

So if you're sexually assaulted by a person who couldn't help it due to a disability, then it's your fault for feeling 'aggrieved'?

Strawman again

But, ultimately, yes. If someone assaults you in any way due to their disability then it's on you to work out how to deal with those feelings and blaming them for their involuntary actions isn't fair nor reasonable