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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:30

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:23

I'd suggest you don't make assumptions about me, you know nothing about me and have no idea what I've been through in my life.

Someone can understandably be angry at a rape, even if it wasnt the rapistists fault. People who get hurt and angry over a word being shouted in a crowded room by someone who couldn't help it, should be able to rise above it and not be so thin skinned, because its just a word.
It's called perspective.

So at what point is one expected to not have to 'rise above' feeling hurt? At what severity exactly have you, the apparent arbiter of reasonable feelings, decided that a person is allowed to feel upset?

And do you take into account that person, and 'what they've been through in their life' and whether or not they may be triggered, or more deeply affected?

I'd love to know when you think people are entitled to feel upset.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:32

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:27

So you get upset every time you hear a man call woman a bitch, to this extent?

Yes, actually. I hate the term, and I think it's incredibly misogynistic. It's one of very few swear words I refuse to use, and I find it triggers a fear response if aimed at me aggressively by a man, due to my past experiences.

Vivi0 · 24/02/2026 13:33

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:16

Nope. I'm saying there's a difference in degree, not kind. Although clearly you've never been bullied by people who used 'just words', which can absolutely be destructive and traumatising.

So someone can be angry after a vile assault, but not be upset after a vile racial slur?

So someone can be angry after a vile assault, but not be upset after a vile racial slur?

Of course you can be upset.

But let’s think for a moment how upset John Davidson must be.

He has Tourette’s. His life has been completely ruined by his disability. He has attempted suicide.

His disability affects him way more than it will ever affect anyone else.

What happened to treating people with significant disabilities like John Davidson with understanding and compassion?

Again, I can understand why people would be upset. But the way people have gone after a disabled man, even after being informed about the severity of his disability, and the impact it has had on him and his life, is one of the saddest and most disturbing things I have ever witnessed online.

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:34

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:30

So at what point is one expected to not have to 'rise above' feeling hurt? At what severity exactly have you, the apparent arbiter of reasonable feelings, decided that a person is allowed to feel upset?

And do you take into account that person, and 'what they've been through in their life' and whether or not they may be triggered, or more deeply affected?

I'd love to know when you think people are entitled to feel upset.

You can feel upset everytime a disabled person doesn't act you you'd see fit, that's your free choice, im not claiming to be the arbiter of anything, but that only makes your life harder.
I'm just tired of professional victims crying over silly shit like this. It's a word, said by someone who couldn't help it and has already apologised. No one died.

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 13:36

I can’t believe this thread has stopped so low that now people are equating the emotional response to being raped with the emotional response to hearing a word.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:37

Vivi0 · 24/02/2026 13:33

So someone can be angry after a vile assault, but not be upset after a vile racial slur?

Of course you can be upset.

But let’s think for a moment how upset John Davidson must be.

He has Tourette’s. His life has been completely ruined by his disability. He has attempted suicide.

His disability affects him way more than it will ever affect anyone else.

What happened to treating people with significant disabilities like John Davidson with understanding and compassion?

Again, I can understand why people would be upset. But the way people have gone after a disabled man, even after being informed about the severity of his disability, and the impact it has had on him and his life, is one of the saddest and most disturbing things I have ever witnessed online.

Oh, I don't blame him. And I've made it clear, I know he can't help it, and it's his condition and not him. But equally, I think it should be 'allowed' for people to be upset by the use of a racial slur, and to feel bothered by it without being called awful for feeling that way. But no, they shouldn't attack him.

YorkshireGoldie · 24/02/2026 13:37

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:09

My point is very simple, and not difficult to understand: It is not helpful or accurate to say "Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I don't think this is true, as shown if you raise the severity of the issue at hand. I think that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

I’m just going to go back to this point. Thank you for highlighting it again. The words in italics are my words. I want to draw attention to where I said ‘non disabled people have a choice’

Eating disorders are a mental health disorder/ condition and I would not expect them to have a choice in how they would react.

So to clarify my point, I think people who are not disabled or have any mental health conditions have a choice with how they react to WORDS!!

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 13:37

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 11:29

Ok. Sure. "It was not as shocking as Lindo and Jordan implied." Except they haven't said a damn thing. Lindo said he wished the BAFTA people had spoken to him. MBJ, silent as the grave.

"Both men use it." Yes, sure. You know this, how?

Because I've seen their films. Plenty of them are about racial issues and have all kinds of slurs.

If they weren't upset, in your view, I am not sure why anyone would need to apologise or freak out.

Naunet · 24/02/2026 13:40

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:32

Yes, actually. I hate the term, and I think it's incredibly misogynistic. It's one of very few swear words I refuse to use, and I find it triggers a fear response if aimed at me aggressively by a man, due to my past experiences.

Then genuinely, kindly, you should get some therapy for that.

Triskellion75 · 24/02/2026 13:47

'I have sympathy but...'

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 13:47

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 13:37

Because I've seen their films. Plenty of them are about racial issues and have all kinds of slurs.

If they weren't upset, in your view, I am not sure why anyone would need to apologise or freak out.

Their films have slurs yes. Because they play slaves. The same reason why Django Unchained had the N word.

I took your statement to mean that DL and MBJ use slurs in their daily life, which we have no way of knowing.

And once again, I have called for NO ONE to apologise except the BBC and Bafta. Which they have done. I would now like them to take a look at their crappy and selective editing too.

No freak out.

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 13:48

Tickleinmythroat · 24/02/2026 11:46

I can’t articulate it like the OP but I wonder how people would feel if their young daughter was involuntarily called a c*t or whre on a very public stage, or their disabled child called a r**tard. I can’t believe how many people are suggesting the OP doesn’t understand the meaning of involuntary, or is somehow being discriminatory themselves (the irony).

It disheartens me so much to see people on here dismissing the very valid emotional response of anyone, especially people of colour, to that awful word. Just because he didn’t mean it, it doesn’t mean it wasn’t painful.

I agree with the OP that part of the hurt it causes may be due to the reason this word is the one that manifested in that moment, it’s because it’s a reflection of society- the same as a tic causing someone to shout whre or cnt or f*g is a reflection of societal misogyny or homophobia- not in the person with Tourette’s, it’s not their fault at all, but almost like some awful cross they have to bear.

I’m sorry OP, I’m not a POC but I can understand the points you’re making. It’s very odd to me how people are reacting, suggesting you don’t understand he didn’t mean it, or suggesting that people who found it hurtful or offensive should let that wash over them (and demonstrate much more understanding and compassion than they are being shown right now).

So - this is a real question - why do you think it would be differernt? Do you think people only have empathy for people they know or something?

If my daughter was called something like that, in the same circumstances, no, I wouldn't be upset. I might worry she'd be disconcerted if she didn't expect it, but I know that once she understood the circumstances she wouldn't be bothered as there was no ill will. If it was appropriate and possible I might suggest she have a pleasant word with the individual afterwards, not about the comment, but just to say hello.

Sunloungerhogger · 24/02/2026 13:51

I don’t think the OP is trying to demonise him, nor say that he should apologise for his disability (and to be honest I think the OP has made it very clear that they completely understand that (a) it’s entirely involuntary and (b) there was absolutely no intent to hurt others). And no of course I don’t think that there should be any kind of pile on at all. If everyone could have a bit of compassion all round - compassion for him because of course it must be very very difficult having this involuntary tic and knowing that you’re being judged but also compassion for the people he said the N word to, because yes of course that’s extremely upsetting and triggering for anyone of colour to have said to them. Ok I don’t know enough about Tourette’s to know whether someone suffering from this would have enough awareness in the moment about the impact on someone else, but if so, I do think a very brief apology for any offence caused would have gone a long way to diffuse things. As the OP has made clear, there is a distinction between intent and impact, and we as humans out of consideration for others regularly apologise when we cause someone else offence or hurt, even when that was never ever our intention and it couldn’t be helped.

No, I don’t think people need to prostrate themselves with grief and get on their knees and wail and beg for forgiveness when they have accidentally, unintentionally and entirely unavoidably caused hurt or offence to others, and no, I don’t necessarily think you need to apologise when accidentally, unintentionally and unavoidably causing offence if the recipient was being unusually sensitive to something that wouldn’t ordinarily cause offence, but that’s not the situation here.

A brief fuss free sorry for any offence caused, I understand why that would be upsetting for you and it was not my intention, and then everyone move on. I’m not saying in this scenario sorry would necessarily remove the hurt, but often a simple acknowledgement and apology does make a huge difference.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 13:53

Sunloungerhogger · 24/02/2026 13:51

I don’t think the OP is trying to demonise him, nor say that he should apologise for his disability (and to be honest I think the OP has made it very clear that they completely understand that (a) it’s entirely involuntary and (b) there was absolutely no intent to hurt others). And no of course I don’t think that there should be any kind of pile on at all. If everyone could have a bit of compassion all round - compassion for him because of course it must be very very difficult having this involuntary tic and knowing that you’re being judged but also compassion for the people he said the N word to, because yes of course that’s extremely upsetting and triggering for anyone of colour to have said to them. Ok I don’t know enough about Tourette’s to know whether someone suffering from this would have enough awareness in the moment about the impact on someone else, but if so, I do think a very brief apology for any offence caused would have gone a long way to diffuse things. As the OP has made clear, there is a distinction between intent and impact, and we as humans out of consideration for others regularly apologise when we cause someone else offence or hurt, even when that was never ever our intention and it couldn’t be helped.

No, I don’t think people need to prostrate themselves with grief and get on their knees and wail and beg for forgiveness when they have accidentally, unintentionally and entirely unavoidably caused hurt or offence to others, and no, I don’t necessarily think you need to apologise when accidentally, unintentionally and unavoidably causing offence if the recipient was being unusually sensitive to something that wouldn’t ordinarily cause offence, but that’s not the situation here.

A brief fuss free sorry for any offence caused, I understand why that would be upsetting for you and it was not my intention, and then everyone move on. I’m not saying in this scenario sorry would necessarily remove the hurt, but often a simple acknowledgement and apology does make a huge difference.

JD has issued a statement already as has the Tourettes Association. Now the focus should go to the BBC.

NemesisInferior · 24/02/2026 13:56

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:26

So to clarify, you think that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, and that they are actively choosing to feel bad about it?

No, I'm saying that you can't draw a comparison between someone being called a word and someone being physically assaulted.

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 13:59

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:06

Why are people so incapable of understanding differences in degree and not kind? Or the fact that certain arguments are actually incoherent, as highlighted when you try to apply them to something of the same kind, but of a more severe degree?

I don't think they are alike in kind.

Having someone say something hurtful is very differernt, in kind, than having someone cut my hand off.

We do actually have a lot of control over our own feelings and responses, which is a very good thing. Learning to take our emotions and contextualise them with knowledge is an important part of life.

This is why it is possible, for example, to be close friends with someone with this type of Tourette's syndrome, and just totally ignore the vocal tics, because they know they are not real. (Incidentally, this makes the person much less likely to tic, if they know they can't offend you.) Something that would be hurtful, or make you angry, if said with intent has no power.

If someone cuts off my hand due to having some kind of psychotic episode, say, I might not be angry with them, but that gives me no power to grow my hand back.

FlameGrilledSquirrel · 24/02/2026 14:02

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:36

@XenoBitchhis apology DOES mean something to millions of black people all around the world.

I'm very sorry because my brain blurted out something over which I have no control.

Would you request an apology from someone with severe cerebral palsy drooling on your tablecloth?

If there had been an element of choice in the outburst a la the heckle regarding Palestine, then fine, demand away. But asking for an apology for something completely and utterly outside of someone's control because of a neurological condition? No.

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 14:08

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 13:47

Their films have slurs yes. Because they play slaves. The same reason why Django Unchained had the N word.

I took your statement to mean that DL and MBJ use slurs in their daily life, which we have no way of knowing.

And once again, I have called for NO ONE to apologise except the BBC and Bafta. Which they have done. I would now like them to take a look at their crappy and selective editing too.

No freak out.

The point was they are capable of understanding that the context (being in a movie rather than some dickhead calling them a name to be a shit) changes the situation.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 14:40

Other things he shouted during the BAFTAs:
"Boring" when they were giving the safety speel at the start
"Bullshit" when those present were told not to swear
"Fuck off" at a presenter

Only one recording has been clearly heard of him using this particular word, at MBJ and DL, but it has been claimed it was used at least 3 times including at Hannah Beachler

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 14:41

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 14:08

The point was they are capable of understanding that the context (being in a movie rather than some dickhead calling them a name to be a shit) changes the situation.

Interestingly enough, Machine Gun Kelly refused a part in Sinners, the film these actors were in and Hannah was production team for, because he was uncomfortable using this exact slur...

Laserwho · 24/02/2026 14:46

Jamie Foxx just lost alot of fans, and respect. John has all my respect.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 24/02/2026 15:47

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 13:37

Because I've seen their films. Plenty of them are about racial issues and have all kinds of slurs.

If they weren't upset, in your view, I am not sure why anyone would need to apologise or freak out.

I once saw a film where Brad Pitt was aging backwards and hence he is now a baby in real life.

Cazzabeanie · 24/02/2026 15:50

In the UK we break discrimination down into different categories which are protected so sex, race, disability.... what you're asking us to do is say that your protected category of race is more important than his of disability.

Every single person within a protected characteristic can use the same comments you have, it's exhausting... it's emotionally draining.... I imagine these are the same things he says about his disability. So why should you and your feelings take precedence?

Then ask yourself: Should someone with a disability be made to apologise for existing in public with said disability on show because it makes you upset/uncomfortable. Which is what you're asking? Then apply the same question to all the other protected characteristics, should we make women, POC, gay, old individuals.... apologise for existing in public because it makes others uncomfortable/brings up issues they can't emotionally handle? The answer is no for me, but you think he should? Why is your circumstance more important than his?

The situation doesn't matter, because it's the. Baftas doesn't mean it's any different, he shouldn't be excluded. To then say it's a wider society issue with unconscious bias.... No it's not, it's a specific moment when a man with uncontrolled tics has been in public with his condition on show.

All that's coming across in your demand is that you're abelist. You may not be shouting slurs at him but you're still actively being discriminatory against him demanding apologies for existing in public with a disability.

So in summary, yes you are the AH.