To be the most shocked about the women possibly involved in it all

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With Epstein.

Men, i’m pretty much sick of at this point in my late 40’s, adore my Ddad and Dh is one of the good ones, but thinking back to being young and leering men and uncomfortable and scary situations.
But, rumours of women possibly being involved-obviously vile GM, but a supposed supermodel, JE’s personal assistants and women that seemed to work for him, reports of possibly owning adoption agencies etc. If all true, how on earth could women see children and young girls being abused and hurt and actively make that happen?? Where were all the safe people, why did no one notice and say or do anything?

They are evil new babies and their destiny is set? Can't be cured, can't be prevented?

• I read it National Geographic that some kids can be arguably born with psychopath predisposition : lack of empathy & other things. But that if you intervene early enough then they can be helped.

Did her boyfriend know she was being abused?

I agree

I agree with you. I’m sorry you were abused by your mother.

I'm quite surprised the OP is that shocked with the likes of Myra Hindley and Rose West. It’s not unheard of for a woman to be evil.

Let’s be honest, it’s shocking because it’s the exception not the rule.

That's an interesting question that a court would need to battle with. Her boyfriend knew that she was having sex with men for money, yes. Did he regard that as abuse though? If I recall correctly, he later testified on her behalf to prove that she was being trafficked but I suspect at the time he just saw it as escorts work which funded their lifestyle. They were both taking a lot of drugs at the time and she was outwardly getting on with life and entirely free to make her own decisions so I presume he didn't recognise it as abuse.

Right, it was a very complex situation.

Otoh I asked ChatGPT about this- I Nedd to fact check theirs of course.

They said :She did have periods where she wasn’t physically with him. Her access to money, housing and work was still tied to his network when she was a teenager She says she was brought back through pressure, financial dependence, and grooming.

If this is true re her jobs & money being tied to Epstein I think that's important. Moreover, she was 19 when she left and a lot of the accusations relate to when she was legally a minor.

I also asked about the boyfriend and it said : In plain-English summaries of his declaration: He saw her being picked up by much older men in cars, she told him she had to go give “massages”, she would return with cash, and he felt something was wrong.

Maybe he saw it as escort work, but otoh massages wouldn't necessarily have been interpreted as sex work back then. And it should be remembered they were both teenagers at this point, adults in that situation would more likely realise more possibly.

Who keep saying women…these were children

I'd read her book if you are interested. She tells you what happened in there.

Some were younger but a lot of them were above the legal age of consent.

I’m really sorry to hear this - didn’t want to not stop and say something.

There were two phases - when he and GM were recruiting underaged girls and after he went to prison when he was careful to go for 18 year olds or what was legal. Also GM faded away and had her own life so he had another assistant arranging women and he continually tried to get others to find him more. But when they brought charges in 2019 it was only ever for the same earlier period of the underage girls he’d served for. Not for any recent crime.
He was able for years to successfully downplay the conviction because it was such a slap in the wrist and it was portrayed by him as like he’d been misled about one girl’s age and it was a misdemeanour basically.

This is rather downplaying things isn’t it? Plenty of very young children are mentioned in the files, which no one on here seems to want to read or fact check against at all, preferring to theorise which is…..odd.

Exactly what I thought!

You aren't being unreasonable women are implicated in all of this. I he frequently would manipulate the young women he had groomed and used to find him more girls as a way of implicating them and to keep them on the payroll to both by their silence and have something to hold over them if the money stopped working. There also seem to have been women who just liked the money, the contacts he provided and so on. They should all face justice.

And now i’m reading about O.W, so hard to know how much is conspiracy..,always assumed so in the past, but who knows now!

O W ??? Who is that

There are circles that surround things like this. At the centre are the ones the actually hurt children. Surrounding them are those who are actively complicit in providing the environment and wherewithal for abuse to continue to occur. Surrounding those are the people who witness abuse but turn a blind eye. Surrounding those are the people that don’t witness it directly, but indirectly……they see bruises or changes in behaviour or hear rumours…but also turn a blind eye because they are afraid for themselves, what consequences for speaking up they might suffer, and because it’s difficult and an uncomfortable subject…some of them might make a half hearted effort to ask a child if they’re ok and most children will lie and say yes they’re fine because that’s what they’re programmed, threatened and scared into doing, and the adult then breathes a sign of relief because….look they asked the kid and the kid said no…their conscience is clear, they can use some mental gymnastics to absolve themselves, they’re one of the good guys etc etc. Every single one of those people in every single one of those circles is complicit in the abuse. If you suspect and you don’t speak up you are part of it. You are choosing to look away and let a child suffer.

What ???? 😮

Can’t be true, there’s such a swirl of things being said, some is just too much to take. This was in relation to all the missing girls from the children’s home in Africa I think.
If all these things are true, I literally have no faith in humankind anymore, all very bizarre.

A lot of what is published is from callers to an anonymous tip line, and those (especially high profile ones) can and do attract trolls, bad actors, and the mentally ill.

It is odd.

I thought the youngest age mentioned was 9. Or was it younger?

What? No! Money and a comfy life obviously, some people only care about themselves.

Both men and women are capable of selling drugs to kids, even prostituting their own kids, it's nothing new.

Or both