Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

I think that if we start feeling sorry for Andrew who had everything handed to him, then who next? Epstein? I have no idea of his upbringing and childhood but I'm sure we could find something to go "oh poor boy, that must have been hard"
Andrew, like Epstein (and the lot of them) was not only a fully grown adult at the time of the offences but he has never shown a crumb of remorse.
There are men out there who have done terrible things, often when young, who have turned their lives around, founded charities, raised awareness and tried to stop others going down the same path.
Them, I can have sympathy for because it is clear that their feeling of guilt has made them into very different men and they are actively trying to prevent the same thing from happening again.
Andrew is the complete opposite of that. It is clear that he feels no guilt and only feels upset because he might be held accountable for his own actions.

And his Father?

So why are people acting like he has been found guilty and is heading for prison

If he does get charged and does face court, it could be argued that these sort of threads, the media reporting etc means he wouldn’t get a fair trial as most posters are calling him a criminal, a nonce, a paedophile and acting as though he has been convicted and sentenced
At this point in time he hasn’t been charged with anything

No, on the present information available, I have no sympathy.

If anything were to come out that AMW had historically been an abuse victim, that might change my view, but at present I have heard nothing to suggest that.

He's had a life of privilege. Even the heirs to the throne have a life of privilege that the 'weight' of their duties comes nowhere near justifying, but that is even more true for senior royals who have little or no expectation of becoming monarch.

He lived the life of a playboy - remember 'Randy Andy' and 'Airmiles Andy' and later the tales of Fergie and him living it up when they first got together, ordering 8 course meals at Buckingham Palace for themselves and their mates when they got back from clubbing at 1am?

He's made no attempt to justify his existence - at least the likes of Anne, Edward, Charles and Camilla seem to have some sense of duty to the public, even if their duties fall far short of what most of us would deem full-time work. Even Harry has been involved with noticeable charity work through Invictus and the landmines charity.

Andrew - what has he done? Nothing. Absolutely zilch.

That's pretty typical - not saying it's right - but I don't think posts on here would prejudice a fair trial

Fk him.

Even if he is completely innocent, that doesn't change the fact he has lived as a parasite all his life, squandering money and giving absolutely nothing back. I get that he won't be on trial for that, it's not illegal to waste your life at others' expense, but if he'd been a respected figure who had done some good in his life, people might have more sympathy for him or at least, a more open mind pending any actual convictions.

Liked The Sun's headline this morning: He's Sweating Now.

What if you mean OP when you say he was taken to a brothel as a child?

As for feeling sorry for him... No.

How he reacts from now will be very telling. I do think that his best chance of any kind of personal redemption is to put his hands up and make a full and frank contribution and/or confession to all and any enquiries/commissions.
I think that that would be the best way to live with himself tbh.

Why would he have any sense of honour or doing the right thing though or seeking redemption?

I mean, what could be a possible 'good' reason for Andrew giving a very young toddler a boob ball to play with, photographic evidence of which has been listed in the EF?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15577053/Shamed-Andrew-Mountbatten-Windsor-plays-boob-ball-toddler-Royal-Lodge-2011.html

He should but I don't think he'll do that as from what I've heard about him he has no self-awareness or humility whatsoever.

Now I have seen the picture of him playing with an innocent baby who has a ball shaped like a breast absolutely any smidgen of concern for him has now completely evaporated. Absolutely sickening ! I think it’s the most damning evidence so far .

I reckon this sort of thing is actually classed as SA. I'm not sure, any social workers or lawyers here that could clarify?

I do, a bit. The crimes he has been accused of are heinous but a reminder to all on this thread that he's not even been charged with an offence yet.

If he is charged, there is no chance of a fair trial, and whether he is found guilty or innocent, people will always believe there to have been some kind of state cover-up.

He has already lost every bit of status he ever had, will never be able to appear in public or maybe even see much of his family in private ever again.

He will be a target of paedophile hunters for the rest of his life - and even if he were to be found guilty and serve a sentence, when released he will not be able to move to another part of the country, slip into anonymity and start afresh like any other person.

Epstein's girls were groomed and the crimes committed against them horrific. But this boy prince was also groomed in a different way, from birth, for a life as "the spare": absent parents, an emotionally repressed family life and no choice in his destiny, all under the glare of a long range camera lens. I actually think there is a fair chance he will decide to end his life over what has happened.

What I will add is "Well done Harry" for recognising this country's toxic relationship with its royal family, and getting his family out. You did the right thing, mate 👍

What i find ridiculous ...horror of it all aside for a moment....is that sarah and andrew were apparently constantly running off to get things from.Epstein as if he was their obligated dad or something and they were spoilt teenagers. If it wasnt so horrific, it would almost be comical. They just seem like such utter twats.

Yes I should have put he will be classed as a criminal like all the other lags in nick.

It's like when Andrew Lownie s book Entitled first came out people made excuses for the King's brothers behaviour. As the files have been released Lownie has been proved to be telling the truth and legal action made him hold a lot back. But even with all the files that have been released people would still rather shoot the messenger. Calling it a witch hunt.

One thing I don't understand is why, when he gave the money to Virginia Guiffre, did Charles and Anne have to chip in why couldn't it just come from his mother. Surely she had enough. Now it has tarnished Anne as well in black and white rather than just by being his sister. I find that very strange.

No

I actually do, too.

Utterly utterly disgusting. The worst part is they are STILL people defending him and his family.

Can't say that I do. In fact, I hope to see a lot more of the rich and powerful people in the Epstein files in his position.

I find it amazing that there are posts on here expressing sympathy and putting it all down to his upbringing, the royal institution, anything but a man who was incapable of thinking of anyone but himself.

Let's not forget he showed no sympathy for victims of sexual abuse, and refused to regret his friendship with a known convicted sex trafficker of young girls. He was given every opportunity to show regret, but even now, there is none.

All that has been asked of him was to lead a half decent life, but he couldn't even do that. What a wonderful life he could have had. Lots of travel, holidays, the best of the best everywhere, a bit of charity work here and there, and family time with his grandchildren. Sympathy? Never in a million years.

What on earth do the Royals bring to this country... all I see is divorce, falling out, greed and avarice, family arguments, and lying. I cannot see the point of them.
And let's bear in mind we probably know about 10% of the dodgy or bad things they get up to. They have people who are employed to cover up their misdeeds.

So why are people acting like he has been found guilty and is heading for prison

If he does get charged and does face court, it could be argued that these sort of threads, the media reporting etc means he wouldn’t get a fair trial as most posters are calling him a criminal, a nonce, a paedophile and acting as though he has been convicted and sentenced
At this point in time he hasn’t been charged with anything

What you might think has happened you can speculate on but writing as though it is the truth is libel