Page 24 | Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

busymomtoone · 2026-02-19T21:55:11+00:00

Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

SleeplessInWherever · 20/02/2026 10:18

@SansGonads

Anyone born into Andrew's life and given all that he was given from a young age would have done the same.

No, they wouldn’t. Being born into a life of privilege doesn’t excuse befriending and associating with known sex offenders.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 10:18

FunnyOrca · 19/02/2026 21:58

No.

If you feel this, you haven’t read enough of the Epstein files. These men were joking about things I couldn’t even imagine. They all deserve to rot.

Yes, țhey are all vile. But I do think OP has a point. He was brought up in such a stupid way that he probably has no idea how normal, decent people think and behave.

TheKeatingFive · 20/02/2026 10:19

NewspaperTaxis · 20/02/2026 10:06

The whole thing about whistleblowing is very odd. I've tried it myself re nursing homes and adult social care (euthanasia, frankly) and found to my astonishment it goes nowhere. The bigger the scandal, the bigger the cover up.
There seems to be a sort of code, that in state organisations it is a badge of honour, a sign of being an adult, that you get entrusted with certain secrets, and the darker the secrets, the higher up you are. So long, of course, as you are prepared to maintain secrecy, not if you're a whistleblower - why, then you are clearly not part of the team and deserve to be hounded; cast out as a scab.

Of course, one way to ensure this is for a pension to be lined up for you at the end of play, upon retirement, so you are all on the same gravy train and don't want to see it derailed.
Another reason to maintain secrecy is if they have something on you - some skeleton in your closet which they can use against you at any time. For this reason, the person who has screwed up on the job at some point may fear for their future but quite wrongly - it actually. makes them more employable and promotable simply because there is dirt on them. They are then regarded as a safe pair of hands.

This may be a reason why paedophiles get a free pass at a high level - it is such an odious crime, it's a way of getting folk to keep the dirty secrets, if they have a few of their own. And the State does have some really dirty secrets.

Freemasonry is perhaps a form of this - all the nonsense rituals, the secrecy. It's 'secrets for secrets' sake' - a kind of currency.

What scares me about the whole Epstein island thing is, how would you expose it? It would make Jonathan Pine's situation in The Night Manager look like a stroll in the park. Set up a spy camera in that situation - say to expose abuse in a school changing room, and you can easily see how that would backfire, and make you look like the pervert. You simply don't know if the person you are reporting it to is onside or has been bought up (it's said Harvey Weinstein had the police in his pocket; ironically the Israeili spy outfit Black Cube protected him - but it was disgruntled Black Cube staff who whistleblow his misdeeds to Ronan Farrow - his book Catch and Kill is superb). Some people who claim to be on your side are actually carrying out surveillance on complainants and reporting back your moves. It's not a fun world to find yourself in.

If you were high up in your organisation, why would you throw that all away and make yourself unemployable in your sector just to report someone's misdeeds, after all nobody else has reported it, so it can't be that bad, and maybe the women look like they're enjoying themselves and are up for it so why break ranks etc etc so the thinking would go.
If you were a lowly rank in your organisation, why would anyone believe you? And would you have time to gather the necessary information/evidence without in some way making yourself complicit over time, or getting found out?

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Very interesting post. The dynamics of whistleblowing are very interesting

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:20

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 10:18

Yes, țhey are all vile. But I do think OP has a point. He was brought up in such a stupid way that he probably has no idea how normal, decent people think and behave.

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Watching babies be made to suck penises harder? You think he was brought up to be OK with that?

1dayatatime · 20/02/2026 10:21

BatchCookBabe · 20/02/2026 09:53

100% not one grain of sympathy for this over privileged sweaty gonk. Sick of seeing his face now. He or that grim pig of a man Epstein are on the TV screen every fecking day now, and I am SICK of seeing them. I wish there was a block option on the TV so I could activate it and not see them!

YABVU @busymomtoone

So your lack of sympathy is based on the points that he is a) privileged, b) sweaty and c) a gong. Out of interest would you have any sympathy if he wasn't privileged or sweaty or a gonk.

This is exactly why jury trials no longer deliver impartial justice. You've already prejudged him on his privileged background rather than the evidence.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 20/02/2026 10:23

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:20

Watching babies be made to suck penises harder? You think he was brought up to be OK with that?

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I haven’t heard that he was connected with anything like that. Where have you
heard that?

The13thFairy · 20/02/2026 10:24

Absolutely not, no, no and forever no. You, though ~ I'd swerve you.

Crikeyalmighty · 20/02/2026 10:25

Would just like to add that o was quite suprised when I heard a good few years ago my now deceased MIL and FIL just describe him and his ilk as ‘they are just naughty boys’ — and yet if it was someone working class doing this they would be utter sleaze bags - far too much cap doffing was going on towards the royals and wealthy posh people in general.

something2say · 20/02/2026 10:26

I am not sure if he actually did that. I read there were 'levels' where worse things happened. I do not know what level he was at.

On the point about how all of these files have been released and the effect it is having on normal people reading them and hearing the depravity - I feel that is a way for the DOJ to minimise because 'normal' people are not used to such atrocities and it takes a lot to know the facts, and the effect of those facts makes people want to close down - and if we close down because we can't hear any more, they are more likely to get away with it. You also have the issue of the natural desire to minimise harm - perfectly natural, but not appropriate when there IS actual harm. All so so manipulative.

ScorchedEarthAdjacent · 20/02/2026 10:27

Seriously? He is feeling sorry for himself because he’s been caught. Did he feel bad about all the awful things he did and the impact it had on the victims and their families? Did he stop what he was doing and alert the authorities? I wish for him to feel the pain he has inflicted on others. Being arrested and questioned is nowhere near the consequences he should endure

AllieJayP · 20/02/2026 10:29

ThatCyanCat · 19/02/2026 22:31

Yes, I actually do a bit. Not because I don't think he deserves it but he's clearly dim and mentally unwell and I wonder if he's just not clever enough to understand and therefore be fully responsible for what he's done. And it's hard seeing anyone looking so absolutely broken even if they deserve it.

But whatever smidgen of something like pity I feel for him is hugely outweighed by sympathy for his victims and fury.

He should have been taught right from wrong………by his Parents !!!

The Queen, his mother, made a point of being seen with him, out riding etc.
….each and every time he was accused of further misdemeanours.

She gave him extra honours…… and chose him to accompany her down the aisle at her late husband’s memorial service.

it is said that she paid ‘the millions’ to Virginia, his alleged victim.

He was apparently never reprimanded for his bad behaviour towards his staff.

it was her terrible parenting that caused him to continue. She enabled and facilitated his behaviour.

MySweetGeorgina · 20/02/2026 10:31

He’s not broken enough IMO

yabu

Darkladyofthesonnets · 20/02/2026 10:31

No, I feel compassion for parents looking after children so disabled they will never be able to live independently. Those are parents who are getting no respite and are often the victims of their own children. Compared to those people who cope with dreadful circumstances, Andrew has had a marvellously privileged life. Yes, he fought bravely in the Falklands War, but he seems to have had a very cushy life ever after. I doubt that Andrew has ever cooked his own meals, cleaned his own house or worried about paying for groceries for the week. At least not until now. I have compassion for the King who, after an incredibly long wait to be king, has discovered the appalling truth about his brother and is trying to protect the rest of his family. I look at Princess Anne and think about all her unstinting work over the years and feel nothing but admiration

everypageisempty · 20/02/2026 10:32

Absolutely not, OP.

By that standard, every obscenely wealthy, famous, never-heard-the-word-no person who has spent their adult lives doing as and what they like, good or bad, should be felt sorry for should they FINALLY be held to account for really shitty, unlawful behaviour ... because they're not used to it.

zurigo · 20/02/2026 10:33

Buggabootwo · 20/02/2026 10:09

My sympathies are less than zero. However I am interested that the police are pursuing the Misconduct in Public Office offence not the sexual offences. If you think about it, there is much clearer evidence like timed and date stamped emails containing confidential government information that he only had because he was Trade Envoy. It’s black and white whereas sexual offences rely on he said / she said evidence and, as we are all depressingly aware, are bloody difficult to secure convictions. And Misconduct in Public Office can carry a massive prison sentence (up to life).

Feels a bit Al Capone and tax evasion.

Yeah, I'm interested by that too. I mean, I think he almost certainly DID commit Misconduct in Public Office, but what about trafficking women to the UK for the purposes of prostitution? I guess the police can only follow the evidence and there is a lot of info in the public sphere that is hearsay. Can he be held accountable in a UK court for the trafficking? Only if the evidence of his complicity exists. And does it? I don't know. He didn't pay them, so ???

Worralorra · 20/02/2026 10:33

No, I’m reserving any sympathy for the victims, and hoping that if someone in his close or wider family really had no idea, that they are being cared for if they are affected by his downfall.

everypageisempty · 20/02/2026 10:33

AllieJayP · 20/02/2026 10:29

He should have been taught right from wrong………by his Parents !!!

The Queen, his mother, made a point of being seen with him, out riding etc.
….each and every time he was accused of further misdemeanours.

She gave him extra honours…… and chose him to accompany her down the aisle at her late husband’s memorial service.

it is said that she paid ‘the millions’ to Virginia, his alleged victim.

He was apparently never reprimanded for his bad behaviour towards his staff.

it was her terrible parenting that caused him to continue. She enabled and facilitated his behaviour.

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She prioritised the power of the monarchy in defending him no matter what, rather than holding him to account for anything.

luckylavender · 20/02/2026 10:35

Not a shred of sympathy for him for Fergie and probably the girls are up to their necks in it too. What's the brothel story?

Bellaunion · 20/02/2026 10:36

Darkladyofthesonnets · 20/02/2026 10:31

No, I feel compassion for parents looking after children so disabled they will never be able to live independently. Those are parents who are getting no respite and are often the victims of their own children. Compared to those people who cope with dreadful circumstances, Andrew has had a marvellously privileged life. Yes, he fought bravely in the Falklands War, but he seems to have had a very cushy life ever after. I doubt that Andrew has ever cooked his own meals, cleaned his own house or worried about paying for groceries for the week. At least not until now. I have compassion for the King who, after an incredibly long wait to be king, has discovered the appalling truth about his brother and is trying to protect the rest of his family. I look at Princess Anne and think about all her unstinting work over the years and feel nothing but admiration

Prince Andrews ties with Epstein were known LONG before Charles became King and if reports are to be believed Charles gave Andrew money as part of the settlement against Virginia Guiffre. I think they've known for quite some time what sort of person Andrew is and he's still paying for him to live in a standard living most people can only dream of so I really would save your compassion for him.

I don't get either why people keep bringing up his time in the Navy. It shouldn't be used to deflect or minimise what he has been accused of.

scottishgirl69 · 20/02/2026 10:42

Darkladyofthesonnets · 20/02/2026 10:31

No, I feel compassion for parents looking after children so disabled they will never be able to live independently. Those are parents who are getting no respite and are often the victims of their own children. Compared to those people who cope with dreadful circumstances, Andrew has had a marvellously privileged life. Yes, he fought bravely in the Falklands War, but he seems to have had a very cushy life ever after. I doubt that Andrew has ever cooked his own meals, cleaned his own house or worried about paying for groceries for the week. At least not until now. I have compassion for the King who, after an incredibly long wait to be king, has discovered the appalling truth about his brother and is trying to protect the rest of his family. I look at Princess Anne and think about all her unstinting work over the years and feel nothing but admiration

Do you think Charles cooks his own meals or cleaned his own house? You think the King has just discovered what Andrew is like? - he was stripped of his titles ages ago. This has been in the news for years now - Andrews connections to Epstein - why do you think Charles wouldn't know anything?

Bloodyscarymary · 20/02/2026 10:43

Fluffymop · 20/02/2026 00:07

There are rumours that Epstein removed the teeth of children, so they couldn’t bite while they’re abused. So no, fuck Andrew. Hope he rots.

I mean this is so clearly insane misinformation! And frankly I find it offensive to the actual crimes committed - it’s as if we don’t think involving teenagers in prostitution/sex for money/life style benefits is a bad enough thing on its own, so are making up worse stories. It just calls the whole investigation and claims into disrepute!

TigTails · 20/02/2026 10:44

I feel a bit sorry for his daughters, but mostly for his victims tbh.

LizzieW1969 · 20/02/2026 10:46

Pepperlee · 20/02/2026 09:52

Your post is very sad and I can't even imagine what it must be like to live with what your father did to you. It's truly abhorrent. VGs father has dodged a bullet and he's still a free man , and yet she accused him and he denied it and that seems to be that! I really hope that you can find some semblance of peace in your later life.

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Thank you for your kind words. Yes, I’ve been through tonnes of therapy, as has my DSis, who was also abused. We both suffer from complex PTSD, but we’ve both built good lives for ourselves, with our own families.

It helps that our F is long dead, though it’s hard that, like VG’s father and all those other men who abused her, he never faced justice. Neither did any of our other abusers. So sadly, I’m disgusted but not surprised that there’s been no justice for her or Epstein’s other victims.

Maybe there will be some form of justice now, if AMB is convicted of Misconduct in Public Office, but I have my doubts on that score.

Sunsetseascape · 20/02/2026 10:46

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 19/02/2026 22:00

Not at all.

I have done in the past. There was a time when he was being excoriated for behaviour that was considered normal in his circles at the time, behaviour that was headline news in an almost admiring way at the time, ‘Playboy Prince’, Randy Andy etc. The headlines went from admiring to accusing him of criminality over what appeared to be the same stuff. I emphasise, I’m not talking about the recent child abuse claims, or the trafficking.

However the abuse of his role is clear cut, and has no excuse.

I think you’re onto something with the “of it’s time” thing. I also think the passage of time between the alleged offences and the actual consequences perhaps gives a distance that can make people feel a little sorry for him. Along with the fact that things that may have been accepted somewhat back then are now dealt with firmly. If he was taken to task at the time I think it would be clearer cut and feel absolutely appropriate. It’s easier to feel sorry for a disgraced older man who probably hasn’t done anything wrong in recent years than a man who is actively doing these things being held to account.

But that aside, you can’t tell me that it wasn’t drilled into him that he had to be squeaky clean. That he has huge undeserved privilege just like all the royals do. They live an absolute life of luxury and the cost of that is that they cannot get involved in dodgy deals or shady behaviour. So it may be late coming, but it’s right that it’s investigated and dealt with accordingly, and that in his position he had a higher bar to uphold.

SerendipityJane · 20/02/2026 10:47

I don't feel sorry. But it strikes me that he must be feeling a thousand times worse not only watching Trump getting away with much worse, but washing himself in Andrews shame.