Despite his villainous behaviour, anyone feel a teeny bit sorry for Andrew?

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Before I get totally flamed, I despise his attitude, and the things he appears to have done - particularly the subsequent lying and apparent determination to shield/ hide misdemeanours. However, seeing the photo of his release today looking a broken man after such huge public downfall , plus thinking of him going back to an empty house on his birthday with no family support - even though I initially felt he deserves every indignity and consequence - there’s still a teeny part of me that just can’t help feeling just a little bit sorry for him. If it’s true that he was taken to a brothel at age 11 , whilst it would in no way excuse abusing others , it means he has also been a victim of abuse. Additionally it seems the Queen and his entourage have never ever said no to him in his whole life- so to reach his 7th decade before any consequences hit makes me question how resilient he will be able to be. Obviously main sympathies are always rightly with any victims , but even the most hardened and perpetual criminals often retain family support, he seems to have nobody. ( albeit if his own making ) or am I just being too soft?!

I agree too. The jury will also be deciding his guilt or otherwise of sexual offences not of misconduct in public office.

He doesn't appear to have any redeeming features. No, I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

My compassion is reserved for his and Epstein's victims.(Yes, I know that's not what he's been arrested for, although we as taxpayers are also his victims in a much lesser way than the trafficked girls).

I wouldn't wish him harm but that's not the same as feeling sorry for a situation entirely of his own greedy, entitled making - whether or not he's charged with criminal offences.

I have a feeling that he won't be here this time next year and I don't think the press and social media will stop the hounding of him until he's 6 feet under. Just waiting for all the TikTok detectives to come out now.

Apparently they confiscated his guns because they were worried that he might hurt himself. Anne and Edward didn't want the King to do what he did either and were said to be very worried about his mental state.

He's not been arrested for sex trafficking but for giving Epstein top secret information. Two very different things.

Nope

The same way that all arrests of people in the public eye are quickly reported, I guess. The swarm of unmarked police cars arriving at his residence will have been a pretty big clue. The police haven’t named him.

He's never had to do well in school, work hard, hold down a job, earn money, buy a house, buy food. All he had to do was not be a pedo. Life asked nothing of him, and he couldn't even manage that

Genuine question OP - when you look at his victims do you feel the same?

@Freya1542 personally I don't feel sorry for him at all but people can feel two and more things simultaneously. We are not ai robots just yet.

It speaks well of you that you can find some compassion for someone who is mostly the architect of his own fall

Good point.

Everything he valued (money, title, status) has been taken from him. He deserves that tenfold. But I don't want him to harm himself and I suspect that's where it will end up.

I honestly don’t. He doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong and he still has the arrogance to think he won’t be held accountable. I don’t think he looked upset in the picture last night, I think he looked outraged.

I don't feel sorry for him nor do I feel glee at his arrest (as many posters seem to).

What I do feel strongly is that no one above the law and he is entitled to a fair trial.

He should be found guilty or not guilty based on the evidence. He shouldn't be convicted simply because he is a member of the royal family or because he is wealthy (as some posters seem to feel).

I also feel that certain recent cases have shown that juries are becoming more inclined to pass judgement based upon how they feel about the defendants and how they feel about the crime, rather than the evidence before them.

Based on that I am now starting to see a strong case for getting rid of juries based on economics and continuing to provide an impartial judicial system.

OPs point is that he is also a victim.

Surely a jury is at least a shade more reliably impartial than a single judge's opinion, judges who have displayed skewed judgement on countless occasions themselves

There are talks of him being neuro.diverse but I've not seen any evidence of that ?

Unfortunately he seems impervious to any self reflection and I also think he has a low moral code as widely evidenced. So what bar is he judging himself against ?

What about the queen and prince Philip ? Did they have good moral values ?prince Charles has made some extremely dubious decisions but he seems to have more emotions and understanding of pain but I'm sure that's inspire of his family not because of them ? Because of his awful early experiences himself
He knows what it's like to be bullied ?
They seem like.a very hard cold family to me and it was Diana who infused it with some emotion and kindness and thinking about others.

Many people share very different values

I don't believe Andrew is at rock bottom yet and I'm not sure at what point he will truly understand everything he has done esp with the girls.

No, he's only crushed because he really believed he could do what he liked. I feel a bit sorry for the daughters though.

But why was there a need to bring Harry into it? What's he got to do with it? Why does Andrew even need to be compared to Harry?

It seems the Meghan and Harry haters just can't help themselves from dropping their name into things like this when it absolutely nothing to do with them.

Is that you, Lizzie?

Yep sure… his big bro didn’t set good example -committing adultery (that we know of), did he!

How are you still failing to get this?

One person was murdered, by law enforcement.

One person was charged with a crime he seems very likely to have committed

Regardless of their merits as human beings, there's an ever-so-subtle difference in circumstances, wouldn't you say?

@Bellaunion I agree.

I can't see how in any way shape or form Andrews life experience ,having only recently as an old man himself lost his parents who were solidly together for decades be remotely compared to the trauma and tragedy that is Harry's experience.

You think committing adultery is comparable to what Andrew has (allegedly) done? My mum had an affair when married to my dad and I’ve managed not to knowingly socialise with a convicted paedophile, have sex with victims of trafficking and commit misconduct in my professional role.

Prince Philip was a scoundrel but not that we know with women who were prisoners.

He deserves what the law says. I have little time for him.

But I'm disgusted by the slavering lips and rubbing of hands of journalists. They are enjoying themselves - and it's bullying.

They disgust me more than him. He's been brought lower and lower and people are already dancing on his grave. Very unattractive to see.

"We are not ai robots just yet" robots have zero genuine understanding of context, ethics, and emotion.

The human tragedy borne out of his actions and all of those who perpetrated these immoral and debauched activities cannot/should not be defended, in any shape or form.

Come on now! who on earth is voting "YANBU" 😩