So what do we think will happen to Andrew, could he actually go to prison?

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I just don’t believe it could happen. Also I’d like him to go to prison for the sex offences, that seems more important than his sharing confidential information problem.

I hope so.

He has gotten away with so much. I’m absolutely sickened that he got away with his depraved lifestyle and all of the lives he destroyed.

He is evil. Fergie is evil. The Royal family is evil. The Queen paid blood money to Virginia Robert’s Guiffre so that her son’s sexual offending against a minor wouldn’t cloud her jubilee!

The British Royal family is a human stain.

I don’t think anything will happen. He will be released and home in time for bed tonight. Then there will be no further questions to answer or some other comment from the police.

Re going to prison, if it did happen, he could go to the prison inside the prison at Belmarsh. He’d be in solitary confinement there and away for everyone.

Why should Andrew be last rather than first in being charged for buying sex from trafficked women? Start with him and yes, treating them all the same and prosecuting as many people who buy sex from trafficked women as resources allow sounds great.

Idk but just listening to the radio talk about if the alleged offence goes to court it’ll be the Crown v AMW which was something.

I hope it’s all looked in to for Mandelson too.

It'll probably be as harsh as being moved into a slightly smaller home. Either that or we'll be told he's had the book thrown at him so that we shut up about the whole Epstein thing and tell ourselves everything's fine, justice is served, nothing to see.

😅😅😅 are you a man? Go away

He does seem to be moved to a slightly smaller home as the only outcome each time.

I think people need to spend less time focusing on Andrew (not least because discussing this at this point could prejudice any trial if there is one), and more time asking why Andrew is being singled out here. What is it that people are using him to cover up?

There are three million pages in the Epstein files. And all the emphasis seems to be on Andrew. Why?

I don’t think there’s any doubt that Andrew is a sleaze. but IMO Andrew is by no means the main character here. And yet he seems to be being portrayed as such.

Who is this covering up and why?

And why are people on here lapping it all up in the way they are?

I hope he tells the truth. I hope he and Sarah Ferguson shed the armour and tell the truth. They could be the ones that break the atmosphere of collusion. I hope they take that opportunity.

He hasn’t been arrested for the sex offences, so he won’t have to answer any questions on that subject.

It’s going to be very interesting, will we find out who Epstein was working for as part of Andrew’s defence? If Epstein was an asset it might have been legal to pass information to him. How much did our own security services know about Epstein, hard to believe they knew nothing. He obviously had some protection for his dealings with business, does that still apply? I expect it does.

No and No.

All this pitchfork waving is pretty stupid.

As far as I'm aware he had sex with VG who was 17 - according to her own account.

So where is the criminal offence?

Seedy and sleazy - YES but not illegal
Vomit inducing - YES but still not illegal

No sex offences have been proven. He had sex with an apparently willing much younger woman who was over the age of consent in the UK. And a 26 year old woman flew to the UK to have dinner with him (and probably a bit of hanky panky) again apparently perfectly above board, no reason for him to think she wasn't perfectly willing and she was hardly a child. Is that really the best they can do with the press of the world poring over every detail? Half the relationship threads on here are much more gory.

On the other hand giving away sensitive information to Epstein and other people likely for money or favours is a really serious crime possibly treason if they can prove it.

Andrew is just a performative scapegoat and one of many MANY powerful men involved

This. Nothing will happen to him.

I heard in passing on the BBC something about him having been appointed by the Queen rather than the government so the rules he had to play by might be different. But I wasn't completely paying attention so I don't know all the details.

Wriggling off the hook already.

I also think its for show. So it looks like it's been taken seriously but wont go further.

Sex with a trafficked woman is rape. Evidence? He apparently ordered from a catalogue. I know he is thick but does he think it is normal to order women?

I really really hope he pulls the other predators down with him and they end up in prison. There has to be some justice for these children and women.

Failing that he needs a two up two down terrace and a minimum wage job to find out how hard life really is.

My understanding of it is that it is an offence to have sex with a trafficked woman now, but it was not an offence at the time Andrew is accused of having sex with Virginia Giuffre.
So, even if the fact they had sex can be proved it was not, in fact, against the law at that time.
I’m not defending him, by the way, merely trying to clarify the law.

I think AMB will be relieved to be charged with this offence, so much better to be a spy than a nonce, it will take years for this to come to court, by then his dementia will mean that he is not fit to plead, then of course any files will be put under order not to be revealed for 50 years due to 'national security fears'.

The events of today are all bullshit. We are being treated like idiots. The RF plainly didn't learn a bloody thing after Diana died, They where shocked then at the public for displaying anger at their behaviour, we may be happy to keep them if they toe the line but fuck the public about like this and they are doomed.

When the files were released around his special trade envoy work, I immediately said this could be the thing that actually holds him to account.

The police obviously have enough to make an arrest, but there is also a lot of work to take this to court proceedings and a prosecution.

I think firstly, it needs to be proven he was in public office. I am sure I read somewhere last week that the position is not actually public office, but there’s a line in the role specification that says a person is accountable as though they were in public office. Could this be argued by his legal team?

Secondly, proof that he was “wilfully” neglecting duties. Could it be argued he did wrong but with good intent for UK trade?

Then was it an abuse of the public’s trust and was it done without reasonable excuse or justification.

I’d be really interested in hearing from legal minds on this and what a defence might be.

The only female that we supposedly know he had sex with was Virginia who was not underage.

Not saying he is innnocent but what about ALL the other men? Is he really supposed to pay for all their sins? Pretty sure a lot of them did far far far far worse than Andrew did.

Didn't know the Dems were innocent in all of this, sure I've seen Clinton's name and image in the files.

I think this arrest will finally open the floodgates for his arrest in relation to the SA offences etc. I do hope he’ll end up in prison sooner rather than later.

I think he will probably take his own life. That’s awful but i think a possibility

AMW has been arrested for Misconduct In A Public Office, which may, or may not be linked to Epstein and his 'business interests'
At the time AMW had sex with VRG she was not a minor in either the UK or US, and also at the time, having sex with trafficked women was not an offence. The trafficking of women was an offence, and that links to Epstein - now dead - and Maxwell - already convicted, and in prison.
I would think it very unlikely that there would be enough evidence to prosecute AMW for any offence relating to trafficked women, and more likely that he be charged with Misconduct In Public Office when he was a Trade Envoy, which would also have repercussions for Peter Mandleson, who is also rumoured to have passed UK state secrets and information to Epstein and others.