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To manipulate my mother…

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MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 12:52

Well, it feels like it. Am I?

My mother is a very ‘hard’ person. She believes you should put yourself first in life and has somewhat performatively done so. OK, that’s her right. But then also she expects to be treated the same as other mums/granny’s who have been there for their families, and is offended that I don’t. She doesn’t seem to get that she can’t have it both ways.

Lately she’s adopted quite a ‘boomer’ attitude and her idea of her ‘rights’ at the expense of other people’s have become rude and entitled. She’s developed an almost paranoid need for complete autonomy that is verging on controlling at times.

She lives abroad and wants to sell her house here. I would like to buy it. I expect to pay market value, but she is being very evasive about what the specialist valuation is. I suspect she is overvaluing it in her head (it’s a very non-standard property and needs a lot of work) or she doesn’t want me to buy it (she seems to have taken against my partner, and he’s done lots there for her. I think that’s why she’s being so odd over it) She is not planning to declare tax in either country. She is minimising or discounting real problems with it. She is over-playing work she has had done. She is ‘forgetting’ work I have done over the years. She’s described a very generous offer for just the derelict ‘orchard’ by a neighbour as ‘taking the piss’ (and it’s absolutely not!).

Of course, she can just say no and sell to the highest bidder. She doesn’t owe me anything. But given her general approach, I’m thinking about framing my request to buy it in terms of tax advantage (or any other way I can think of to sway her). I believe she would, in my shoes. I do not expect her to sell to me for less than it’s worth (although if the positions were reversed I would take a bit off for family). I’m pretty confident no one else will pay it either. I’ve my own timeline to work to, though, so I don’t want to be kept hanging for a few years while she figures it out in her somewhat arrogant way and it seems like she would.

Am I being unreasonable to be selective in how I frame my offer? Or is it manipulative and I should just offer as I would a stranger, be upfront about my reasons and reservations as I would with family and then walk away if she wants to keep playing controlling games rather than join in? I don’t usually - she isn’t hard up and I’m definitely not trying to con her. But I feel like I am. Am I overthinking this?

OP posts:
Dollymylove · 13/02/2026 15:39

2dogsandabudgie · 13/02/2026 13:10

What's a boomer attitude?

Baby boomer . Those born between 1947 and 1964.
Those which, in the eyes of the following generations, think had it really easy and everything fell into our laps without even trying. Be assured that its far away from the truth.
A bit cheeky considering many of those who would denigrate the "boomer generation" can barely tear themselves away from their smartphone, let alone get a job!!

Ill get my coat 😉

FOJN · 13/02/2026 15:54

I'd press ahead. Manipulate her to your hearts content. Sounds like the situation has plenty of mileage for game playing, bitterness and resentment. You could drag it out for years if you play your part correctly. This is obviously sarcasm.

You sound as bad as each other. Why would you even contemplate trying to buy this house if you have other options and she is so difficult to deal with?

Either make her an offer for what it's worth to you, give her a deadline to respond by or forget it and buy another house.

poetryandwine · 13/02/2026 16:03

How dies your mother propose to sell if she lives abroad and is not using an EA? Is she relying on you to help at all?

If so, how can you do this without a clear picture of what is going on with the house?

If this is the case I would step away from helping with the sale. The obvious reason is that if any issues around the condition or value of the house come to light you could be drawn into a nasty dispute between your mother and an external party. It sounds like she may not be above trying to cast blame on you.

But also, from what you’ve said I couldn’t bear to help her sell to someone else.

I also don’t understand what you mean about tax advantages considering that she isn’t planning to report the sale. Is her plan legal?

How otherwise can you manipulate this situation as you hope to?

If you really want the house, your best bet might be to get an independent valuation incorporating your knowledge, and then make an anonymous offer through a solicitor. But you will need to be able to lie with a straight face when your mother asks if you are behind the offer, and live with the consequences. I think you can set up ownership through a trust she cannot trace but a solicitor will know best. Could you live in the house happily under these conditions? Would your mother show up on the doorstep and would she be a danger?

poetryandwine · 13/02/2026 16:05

PS Another protest against the boomer language, OP

MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 16:12

FOJN · 13/02/2026 15:54

I'd press ahead. Manipulate her to your hearts content. Sounds like the situation has plenty of mileage for game playing, bitterness and resentment. You could drag it out for years if you play your part correctly. This is obviously sarcasm.

You sound as bad as each other. Why would you even contemplate trying to buy this house if you have other options and she is so difficult to deal with?

Either make her an offer for what it's worth to you, give her a deadline to respond by or forget it and buy another house.

Nope, this is it. She either sells to me and loses her power. Or I buy somewhere else and she loses her UK PA, agent and manager. Her choice. No bitterness, no resentment, no games. Just reciprocity.

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MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 16:15

poetryandwine · 13/02/2026 16:05

PS Another protest against the boomer language, OP

I'm sorry it's put so many people's backs up. It just describes her specifically perfectly. I know plenty of people from whatever that generation would like to be called who are perfectly lovely and I would never use it as a blanket description.

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Morepositivemum · 13/02/2026 16:34

Another that thinks you’ll just have so much drama to deal with, because if my child (I’m 45 but you know what I mean) moved into my old house I wouldn’t be able to help myself trying to be helpful while probably being ridiculously irritating and I’d guess if she visits (which inevitably she will), you’ll get talks on the right way to do things etc. saying that best of luck

poetryandwine · 13/02/2026 16:35

MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 16:12

Nope, this is it. She either sells to me and loses her power. Or I buy somewhere else and she loses her UK PA, agent and manager. Her choice. No bitterness, no resentment, no games. Just reciprocity.

Oh, is the threatened loss of all that you do for her in other aspects of life admin the manipulation you have in mind? Sure, sounds fine.

I can hardly believe I’m saying that as on one level it’s blackmail; I guess that was your concern also. But really, as long as you make a fair offer it’s simply a case of not being shat on by someone you are helping quite a lot. Your mother can’t expect you to continue helping out of the goodness of your heart if she treats you badly. She might disinherit you, if that is a consideration.

Buyer beware, however.

Paperwhite209 · 13/02/2026 16:36

I think so what you need to do but make sure you have a good hard think about any possible pitfalls and how you will mitigate them first.

I understand what you're saying about your mum.

Bikergran · 13/02/2026 17:50

Do you have access to the house? If so, get your own valuation. Personally I think it would be a nightmare if you buy it, she will constantly moan about something or constantly want to stay.

Flamingojune · 13/02/2026 18:01

MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 13:27

From google AI. Plus a smattering of racism, ableism etc etc. (Except for the bit about difficult feelings. Those she airs in abundance ‘because it makes her feel better’ she does not allow anyone else that privilege. And not just venting - verbal abuse lately)

A karen persona? jesus, even AI is misogynistic

FuzzyPuffling · 13/02/2026 18:04

MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 16:15

I'm sorry it's put so many people's backs up. It just describes her specifically perfectly. I know plenty of people from whatever that generation would like to be called who are perfectly lovely and I would never use it as a blanket description.

Don't believe you.

You were quite happy to use an unpleasant and ageist term, until you were called out on it, and realised you were being offensive.

How about you describe your mother, and leave everyone else of that age out of it?

lizzyBennet08 · 13/02/2026 18:47

Honestly if I really wanted it. I'd use an agent over there and buy it as an anonymous buyer.

TFImBackIn · 13/02/2026 19:00

I think you would be crazy to buy her house off her. She doesn't have your best interests at heart and she's not neutral, either. Why would you put yourself through it?

You clearly dislike her. Stop doing whatever it is you do for her and buy yourself somewhere else.

WhereYouLeftIt · 13/02/2026 19:35

MarianaMonterey · 13/02/2026 16:12

Nope, this is it. She either sells to me and loses her power. Or I buy somewhere else and she loses her UK PA, agent and manager. Her choice. No bitterness, no resentment, no games. Just reciprocity.

Why bother with this drama? Seriously - why?

If she doesn't want to lose her power over you, then surely she won't ever sell to you? And losing "her UK PA, agent and manager" - what exactly do you mean? That you help her manage her UK financial affairs and you won't unless she sells this house to you? Why do you do that anyway, given how unpleasant she is to you?

OK, so you don't like your mother. I very much doubt that I'd like her either. Which is why I don't understand why you have more to do with her than you absolutely have to. And trying to buy house from her? Of course she's going to fuck you about! So it makes zero sense that you give her that opportunity. The house would have to be bloody wonderful and perfect for me in every way to make me have any dealings with her, but that's not how you're talking about this house. So - why are you doing anything more than rolling your eyes and letting her get on with it herself including paying for professional agent/manager services that will insist on her dealings be correct re tax etc.? Why are you participating in her drama?

Endofyear · 13/02/2026 21:53

You can frame it any way you like, it's your conscience and from the way you've described your mum, it doesn't sound like your conscience will trouble you. It may be that however you frame it, she just doesn't want to sell it to you - which is of course her right.

Whatonearth07957 · 13/02/2026 22:51

Reflect the same attitude back. Be businesslike if that's the agenda. I get it op

SALaw · 13/02/2026 23:06

If there are tax advantages then I don’t think it is manipulative to point them out, but I can’t tell if you mean you’d be lying about the tax advantages, in which case I assume she’ll be advised quickly that your position isn’t accurate.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 21/02/2026 14:21

It occured to me that she's keeping you on a string because as she gets older or ill, she might want to return to the house and have you take care of her. Which might be why she doesn't want to lose control. But she could have a sensible open conversation with you about that.. maybe its worth asking what her plans are?

Make her an offer in your own name based on 2 or three independent valuations and show her this on a take it or leave it basis with a strict deadline for completion to be handled via solicitors (I know.. but it puts direct pissing about through a filter)

If she turns you down. Go through an estate agent as a company or something... and make the same offer ( this time she will have to pay the agent's sales fees. )
You already know the pitfalls of the house.. so you can include this info in your offer.

If you still can't buy it. I'd leave it.

Tell her if " I buy somewhere else and she loses her UK PA, agent and manager. Her choice."

And once the house is bought/sold, I would wind down all the PA, agent etc as it will no longer be a joint issue.... and get on with your own life without all this hassle. I do understand, I've seen relatives who conned people into doing favours for them, always a bigger ask than they initially made out, withheld pertinent facts and was prone to utter fury when mildly challenged. A CF in other words

So remove these areas which are causing this conflict and then you can have a chance at a standard. "Hi Mum.. cup of tea? or "hows the weather in your country of choice?" without all this angst. Good luck.

summersolsticesoon · 21/02/2026 14:31

I would not enter into a transaction with any family member who wished to evade tax. Tax evasion is illegal and whilst tax avoidance is not I would recommend you Research arms length transactions for capital gains tax purposes as you are most certainly connected parties in the eyes of HMRC.

Motnight · 21/02/2026 14:32

2dogsandabudgie · 13/02/2026 13:10

What's a boomer attitude?

That's what I was going to ask.

RS1987 · 21/02/2026 14:34

Buy a different house.

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