To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

What, you consider your claim 'more accurate'?

And yet, you doubled down and produced links without any discussion about what you have linked and I am not even sure you even have questioned what you have linked.

This is a great example of why the discussions you have complained about should be happening. To stop misinformation from spreading.

Telling a group of people that they are the most persecuted is not going to improve mental health is it?

Anyway, all of this is window dressing. The issue is many young “trans people”’s unaddressed mental health issues, and their radicalisation online, in the same way other groups are radicalised to commit violence.

Young transpeople are not being radicalised to commit violence.That’s misinformation designed to whip up hate.

What is? They haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory over this issue either - completely fucked up the 2021 census.

Have a look at how they talk about “terfs”.

Exactly. As I said, most TRA statistics are agenda-driven nonsense.

Anyway, this is all delightful but you need to realise that women here aren’t going to shut up just because you post a goady thread delighting in insulting them. Hope that sinks in.

I don't think quoting the Guardian is quite the gotcha that you think

Surely a person constantly demanding links would see the importance of those links containing accurate information and not, say, reporting a mass murdering man as a woman because that's what he liked to think? Because if that isn't hijacking a tragedy, I don't know what is.

Or does it matter less when you don't actually look at or discuss those links and simply respond to everything with "designed to whip up hate"?

Incorrect

CPS itself outlines how 73% of the trans community are subjected to violence and harassment. To blatantly not acknowledge that in your rush to whip up hate towards a group is vile.

www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity#:~:text=According%20to%20research%2C%2062%E2%80%9373%25%20of%20transgender%20people,mentioning%20the%20homophobic%20nature%20of%20the%20crime

This is also using the Crime Survey which is not police reporting, it is self reported. The report it self states that they had 63 respondents in 2020. For example, in 2025, 75,000 families took part in the Crime Survey
for England & Wales.

The report itself states that 63 respondents is very limited in usability.

Do you actually read what you post? Or do you take in sound bites of information and never question it?

So CPS, office of statistics, Guardian none quite good enough are they in your rush to whip up hate however you don’t seem to manage to provide any links at all.

Just awful persecution of a vulnerable group.

Zero because sex isn't a hate crime metric nor is misogyny infact women as a group are the only vulnerable group not to be protected by hate crime legislation.
Anyone guess why

Interesting how they bundled actual violence and harassment together, wonder why? I imagine the figure for women for harassment for being women would be close to 100%.

This is 'hate crime' information.

Again, hate crime can be considered to be tweets and misgendering.

I posted part of what hate crimes cover up thread.

Also, female people cannot report 'hate crimes'. Can you imagine what the headlines would be if female people could report misogyny as a hate crime?

Did you read the reports that you are posting as evidence to back your soundbite?

The hyprocrisy is startling.

So we can’t talk on a British forum about the perpetrator of a crime and how this indicates how trans identifying male murderers are becoming a serious problem? Right.

How long do we get according to you??

Because this all sounds like another way of telling women to STFU when we raise concerns about violent males

What anti-trans hatred is being spewed exactly? Can you be specific? Is it because we say men can’t be women? Or because we say trans identifying male shooters are a serious problem? Because if you think the truth is hateful then I don’t really know what to say

Funny that those figures don't mention hate crimes against women oh yeh we're not protected because it would shut the justice system down.
Also zero trans murders in Scotland ever yet off the top of my head I can think of 6 currently in Scottish jails for torture and/or murder. Then we have the rapists and sexual abusers more than a dozen known of still in jail and more back out and free to offend again.
Would you like me to start naming names?

Being such a fan of the ONS, I would have thought you would have acknowledged the prisoner numbers convicted of sex offences per 1 million population in the census that @Hoardasurass posted.

the numbers of convicted sex offenders in prison in E&W:

women - 3 per million pop

men who don’t identify as women - 395 per million pop

”trans women” - 1916 per million pop

Par for the course, a man kills 8 people and of course men try and blame it on the women of Mumsnet. Plus ça change…

So CPS, office of statistics, Guardian none quite good enough are they in your rush to whip up hate
Just talking about the Guardian, which has a lementable record on Gender issues.
And no, i'm not going to provide links.
I'll leave it up to you to provide an article that isn't a tissue of lies.

You're not wrong OP, it's ghoulish. You'll get a million comments about policing women's voices which wouldn't be ironic if half the posters spouting it weren't men hoping to pass as women on here 😂

Focusing on the criminal is necessary to be preventative.

Just adding to Hoardasaurass's post:

This was a question answered in Parliament in 23 December 2024:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

Just a note on this:

Regarding the % of male prisoners in UK with transgender identities. The mentioned above for the year ending 31 March 2024 had the figure that 151 of the 243 male prisoners in the UK prisons had at least one sex offence on their record.

The ratio changed from 43.3% (88/203) having at least one sex offence to their name at 31 March 2023 to 151/243 to 62.1% as at 31 March 2024.

The increase of the overall number of male prisoners with transgender identities in the UK prisons between 2023 and 2024 was only 42 yet the increase in the sex offenders was 63.

In 2019, there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders. I haven’t looked up the stats since. But I wouldn’t expect this will be different. Last time I looked at the raw stats for female sex offences, they had remained stable numbers for a decade or more despite population growth.

For male people with transgender identities to have the same rate of committing sex offences, there would be 8 (3.3% of 243) prisoners with trans identities in the UK prison population with sex offences.

8
Not 151.

And if someone tries to suggest that the majority of these male prisoners have declared that they are women to gain access to the female prisons, I doubt this is true.

Considering the sex crime numbers for that prison population jumped from 88 to 151 male prisoners with a sex offence that declared they were women in a year (31 March 2024 to 31 March 2024) AFTER the publishing of the guidance in early February 2023, I seriously doubt these new prisoners are making declarations for the benefit of getting into the female prison.

I will post the numbers in another post.