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To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 06:34

I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

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nomas · 13/02/2026 15:19

Some people are getting very rich convincing young boys that they need to become girls.

It’s good that women are talking about this, it’s only through women coming together that things like the Supreme Court judgement are happening, which ruled that the terms ‘woman’, ‘man’ and ‘sex’ refer to biological sex.

JHound · 13/02/2026 15:22

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 06:34

I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

I haven’t noticed it here but IRL I know a man who is especially obsessed with mass shootings when the perpetrator is trans.

Doesn’t care about any of the other weirdo school shooters.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:22

As pp pointed out, women can’t suffer hate crime because misogyny isn’t considered an aggravating factor.

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:22

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:18

Yes, it is true. A murder victim in the UK is statistically more likely to have been murdered by a trans identified male than to be one.

Thats complete utter bullshit designed to whip up hate.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:23

No, it is not.

Naunet · 13/02/2026 15:24

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:22

Thats complete utter bullshit designed to whip up hate.

Nope, it's a fact, just one you don't like.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:25

You don’t seem all that well informed, and unaware of the limitations of the Williams Institute data. We have discussed these issues for a decade. Most TRA statistics are nonsense.

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:25

Naunet · 13/02/2026 15:24

Nope, it's a fact, just one you don't like.

Do share your links

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:26

nomas · 13/02/2026 15:19

Some people are getting very rich convincing young boys that they need to become girls.

It’s good that women are talking about this, it’s only through women coming together that things like the Supreme Court judgement are happening, which ruled that the terms ‘woman’, ‘man’ and ‘sex’ refer to biological sex.

Yes. Women like the women here, some of whom started out on Mumsnet.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:28

Thought it was terrible to discuss this and you wanted to focus on the victims? Colour me surprised.

Naunet · 13/02/2026 15:28

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:25

Do share your links

Why? You can easily fact check it yourself by looking at how many trans people in this country have been murdered in the last few years, and how many have committed murders. Educate yourself.

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:28

Manipulating data to persecute a section of society and ignoring data that shows said section of society are several times more likely to be victims of crime is about as low as you can go.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

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Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:29

Naunet · 13/02/2026 15:28

Why? You can easily fact check it yourself by looking at how many trans people in this country have been murdered in the last few years, and how many have committed murders. Educate yourself.

Nope there is nothing however there are plenty of links to show that the trans community are more likely to be victims of crime.

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Shedmistress · 13/02/2026 15:30

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Shedmistress · 13/02/2026 15:30

Apparently no, we can't share links.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:30

They’re very small numbers on both sides. In the UK, There are occasional murders of people by “trans women”. There are less murders of “trans women”. It’s really that simple.

Helleofabore · 13/02/2026 15:31

https://www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/

Ok. This is about 'hate crime'.

Hate crime covers things such as tweets that someone takes offence to. It helps to understand just what 'violence against the person' also covers in relation to hate crimes.

Crime rate is only reported if a crime is reported. How many groups in the population don't bother reporting hate crimes against them? Yet, we know from court cases that this group will quickly report hate crimes. Some people even reported JK Rowling for hate crime. I would be highly suspect of using hate crime rates the way you did OP.

This is what is covered by Violence against the person.

VIOLENCE AGAINST THE PERSON

Violence against the person is grouped into five high-level categories – Homicide, Death or serious injury by
unlawful driving, Violence with injury, Violence without injury and Stalking and Harassment.

Homicide
1 Murder
4.1 Manslaughter
4.10 Corporate manslaughter
Where an organisation is deemed responsible for a person’s death. This offence differs from the basic
HOCR rule of recording based on the initial report to police and is only recorded once an inquest
concludes with a verdict of unlawful killing or the PPS authorise a charge (or direct that it is not in the
public interest to do so).

4.2 Infanticide
Applied to infants under 12 months killed by the mother while of disturbed mind.
Death or serious injury caused by unlawful driving
These offences differ from the basic HOCR rule of recording based on the initial report to police and are
only recorded once the investigation confirms the offence is made out, ie a person is charged or PPS
recommend prosecution.

4.4 Causing death or serious injury by dangerous driving
4.6 Causing death or serious injury by careless driving when under the influence of drink or drugs
4.8 Causing death or serious injury by careless or inconsiderate driving
4.9 Causing death or serious injury by driving: unlicensed drivers etc

37.1 Causing death by aggravated vehicle taking

Violence with injury

2 Attempted murder
4.3 Intentional destruction of viable unborn child
4.7 Causing or allowing death of a child or vulnerable person
5D Assault with intent to cause serious harm
Includes offences of grievous bodily harm (GBH) with intent and wounding with intent. These offences
are recorded where there is clear evidence of a deliberate attempt to inflict serious bodily harm regardless
of level of injury sustained.
5E Endangering life
This classification is additionally split within PSNI to provide a data series for explosives offences and
firearms/ammunition offences.
8N Assault with injury
This classification is further split:
Grievous bodily harm or Wounding - where injury may result in permanent disability; more than minor
permanent disfigurement; broken bones; fractured skull; compound fractures; substantial loss of
blood; internal injury; lengthy treatment or serious psychiatric injury (based on expert evidence); and
shock (when accompanied by expert psychological evidence)
Assault occasioning actual bodily harm (AOABH) – injuries ranging from grazes, scratches and
reddening of the skin to simple broken nose or broken finger. Also includes non-visible injury causing
more than a passing moment of pain or discomfort which has an adverse impact on the victim.
Poisoning to aggrieve
Non-fatal strangulation - The Justice (Sexual Offences and Trafficking Victims) Act (Northern Ireland)
2022 created the offence of ‘Non-fatal strangulation’, recording commenced 26th June 2023.
8P Racially or religiously-aggravated assault with injury
The legislation behind these racially or religiously-aggravated offences does not exist within Northern
Ireland and therefore this classification does not apply. Records are instead classified to 8N Assault with
injury and are included in the racist and faith/religion hate crime strands.
8S Assault with injury on a constable
Where a police officer was the victim of GBH/wounding with intent, GBH, Wounding or AOABH in the
course of their duty.
8T Assault with injury on an emergency worker (other than a constable)
Within Northern Ireland these offences are classified to 8N Assault with injury (where the injury is minor)
and 105A Assault without injury (where no injury has been sustained).24Violence without injury
3A Conspiracy to murder
3B Threats to kill
Where an individual fears that the offender’s threat is real and may be carried out.

11A Cruelty to children/young persons
13 Child abduction
14 Procuring illegal abortion
36 Kidnapping
104 Assault without injury on a constable
Where, in the course of their duty, a police officer was the victim of an assault where no injury was
caused.
105A Assault without injury
Offences where, at the most, a feeling of touch or passing moment of pain is experienced by the victim.
Summary offences, closely associated with actual bodily harm (see classification 8N). Includes, amongst
other offences, common assault and aggravated assault. From 1 April 2003 only includes assaults
involving no injury, please note that this change was introduced a year earlier in England and Wales on
1 April 2002.
105B Racially or religiously-aggravated assault without injury
The legislation behind these racially or religiously-aggravated offences does not exist within Northern
Ireland and therefore this classification does not apply. Records are instead classified to 105A Assault
without injury and are included in the racist and faith/religion hate crime strands.
106 Modern slavery
Includes offences such as holding a person in slavery or servitude, requiring a person to perform forced
or compulsory labour and arranging/facilitating travel of another person with a view to exploitation.
Stalking and harassment
8L Harassment
Harassment offences are those incidents where no other substantive notifiable offence exists, but when
looked at as a course of conduct are likely to cause fear, alarm or distress. Within Northern Ireland this
classification is further split into harassment and intimidation offences.
8M Racially or religiously-aggravated harassment
The legislation behind these racially or religiously-aggravated offences does not exist within Northern
Ireland and therefore this classification does not apply. Records are instead classified to 105A Assault
without injury and are included in the racist and faith/religion hate crime strands.
8Q Stalking
Stalking legislation was introduced in Northern Ireland on 27th April 2022, through the Protection from
Stalking Act (Northern Ireland) 2022. Offences of “stalking” and of “threatening and abusive behaviour”
are recorded from this date.
8R Malicious communications
The recording of malicious communications offences started for the first time in Northern Ireland from 1st April 2017. This classification also includes offences relating to 'revenge porn'; new legislation on disclosing private sexual photographs and film with intent to cause distress was introduced in June 2016.
8U Controlling or coercive behaviour
The Domestic Abuse and Civil Proceedings Act (NI) 2021 introduced the “domestic abuse offence” within Northern Ireland on 21st February 2022, enabling the recording of abusive behaviour occurring on two or more occasions against an intimate partner, former partner or close family member, ie within the definition of domestic abuse used in Northern Ireland and where abusive behaviour includes controlling or coercive behaviour, psychological abuse, emotional abuse, financial abuse and economic abuse.

-end-

The following is a link to the ONS that lists the above for all of UK but without the extra detail:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/methodologies/userguidetocrimestatisticsforenglandandwales#appendix-1-recorded-crime-list

So, as suspected, a male person can report his spouse or ex- spouse for domestic abuse (ie. not accepting that transition, and using the correct sex pronouns) and this would also be coded as a 'hate crime - violence against the person.'

Tweets that someone doesn't like about themselves fall under malicious communication and can be recorded as a 'hate crime- violence against the person'.

It always pays to look in the data that is being posted to check exactly what it says and doesn't say.

User guide to crime statistics for England and Wales: March 2025 - Office for National Statistics

Quarterly statistics on crime levels and trends in England and Wales, including detailed information on datasets used to compile our crime statistics.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/methodologies/userguidetocrimestatisticsforenglandandwales#appendix-1-recorded-crime-list

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:32

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:29

Nope there is nothing however there are plenty of links to show that the trans community are more likely to be victims of crime.

No, just your American convenience sample biased study that all your claims and the other links are based on.

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:30

They’re very small numbers on both sides. In the UK, There are occasional murders of people by “trans women”. There are less murders of “trans women”. It’s really that simple.

Transpeople are twice as likely to be victims of crime.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

Trans people twice as likely to be victims of crime in England and Wales

ONS figures show 28% trans people experienced crime compared with 14% of cis people

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

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Naunet · 13/02/2026 15:33

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:29

Nope there is nothing however there are plenty of links to show that the trans community are more likely to be victims of crime.

If you only look at hate crimes, sure. Why do you pick out hate crimes i wonder? What are you comparing those statistics against when you claim they show trans people are targeted more than anyone else? How many hate crimes were recorded last year against women who were targeted for being female? Can you answer that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:33

We’re specifically talking about murder. Not being misgendered.

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/02/2026 15:32

No, just your American convenience sample biased study that all your claims and the other links are based on.

Not at all -office for national
statistics

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Shedmistress · 13/02/2026 15:34

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:29

Nope there is nothing however there are plenty of links to show that the trans community are more likely to be victims of crime.

The 'hate crime' reporting was encouraging anyone and everyone 'trans' to self report 'hate crimes' which included 'misgendering' and even just looking at someone as 'crimes' so the figures cannot be trusted to be either accurate or indeed be compared to any other statistic as for example, women were never asked if they had ever been victims of crime.

Hoardasurass · 13/02/2026 15:35

Blu3Shoes · 13/02/2026 15:03

No it is not true. Trans people are significantly more likely to be victims of crime rather than perpetrators

“It's becoming increasingly clear that the whole trans agenda is creating a generation of mentally distorted, violent individuals with a tendency to take it out on society / "normal" people.”

This is designed to whip up hate. And as for “ normal people”
just vile.

Not true nor transperson has ever been murdered in Scotland and only 9 in the rest of the UK since records began and none of those were in the last 3 years.
Trans identifying men are 5 times more likely to be a sex offender than men who identify as men (see graph of MOJ and ONS stats).
Most so called trans hate crimes involve trans people being told no or correctly sexed (check out tge hate crime and non crime hate incidents)
Trans identifying people are the safest demographic there is.
More people have been raped and or killed by transwomen in the last decade than transwomen have been killed or raped since records began

To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable