To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html

Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.

1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.

Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female.

What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.

As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.
And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.
I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.

The breakdown was
40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

The CPS records male criminals as female if they choose. This conceals male crime stats and makes it harder to formulate the national crime strategy.

The ONS bowed to the trans lobby and messed up its questions so badly in the Census that the data has been declared invalid

and The Guardian, well The Guardian has been publishing anti women/pro gender ideology articles for ages. They hounded out an excellent female journalist for writing honestly about women’s rights and repeatedly publish articles that are pro dangerous medication for individuals with m/h issues and claim that people can change sex (they can’t).

So no, your sources are not good enough.

Where’s your proof of this? Ridiculous, laughable claim.

So now we - real, biological women - are not even assumed to be women online, but men? Even though most of our arguments are centred on worries regarding violent men and their impact on women and children?

Not a ridiculous or laughable claim at all, just my lived experience of why I rarely read or post in FWR anymore as many posters I assumed were female admitted (after partaking in many discussions with women about sensitive issues) to be male and couldn't understand why they would be expected to self declare as male on here 🤷🏻‍♀️ were you under the impression that men who care about the GC cause would feel the need to declare their sex out of courtesy? Cos they don't think that.

I can think of one poster who fits this description.

Not 'half the posters' 🙄

And yet I know of many more than one! On this thread even. Are you going to get defensive and drawn off topic from arguing for the right to discuss people's murders so ghoulishly soon? 😂

You're the one who took it off it off topic.

And quite how you think you know the sex of random posters on the internet is beyond me

Let's get back to the question. What do you see as so very 'hateful' about people acknowledging that this person is a man and he clearly had serious mental health issues?

Well exactly my point, but OP doesn't care about that, strangely.

I don't need to get back to anything as I wasn't having a conversation with you that I can recall? 🤔

I thought you wanted to get back on topic?

Why not just answer the question I asked?

I’m gender critical. I don’t disagree with people discussing gender critical issues in relation to the Canada shooting. but I find some people try and bring gender critical issues into threads that have absolutely zero to do with the subject . It’s a joke.

What an extraordinary claim.

I’m female and, having the privilege of knowing several of the posters on this thread IRL, can attest that they are too.

And there’s no reason at all to suspect that anyone arguing the pro woman side on this thread is posing as anything they aren’t.

Makes one wonder if this is a yet another case of TRA projection.

I think you're struggling to follow along

You mustn't know the men irl then.

Makes one wonder if this is a yet another case of TRA projection.

Nope given I and other women have reduced posting there due to the number of men. Hardly projection or extraordinary when posters have admitted to it either.

Of course one can care about the victims whilst being fiercely wedded to the idea that appropriated female identity must not be used to mask male violence.

I thought Charlie Kirk was an utter cunt. A stain on human society. A perpetrator of hate. I still don't believe in murdering people because of their opinions.

Not everything is binary.

The majority of men who post on fws are TRAs who falsely claim to be gc women and then spout the usual TRA misogynistic bs and blame women. Their post usually start im as gc as the next woman and then spin off into blaming evil terfs for all the ills of the world. It's a well known strategy by certain posters who also like to merail threads and throw squirrels aswell, sort of like certain posters on this thread.
Yes its tiresome but it shows that they have nothing else as their fighting a loosing battle with inadequate amo and everyone can see that now

All just deflection with you isn't it? Why not just answer the question?

Spot on.

It is, the only poster I know is a man posting on this thread is on the TRA side. Yes there are men on FWR but not on this thread that I know of. Silly goady comment.

Anyway, this is AIBU not FWR.

I'm a physician and remember reading a thread and 2 accounts were saying they were nurses and basically transphobic. We study these issues in Med school and people will still think trans people are lying. It is appalling.

What exactly do you study at med school?

They're certainly more likely to report being victims of crime.

What?