To think the way MN lets anti trans extremists hijack a tragedy is pretty despicable

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I’ve read several threads full of hate filled anti trans ideology diatribes with zero thoughts for the victims, Canadians upset asking for some empathy and making it clear they as a nation just need to grieve, anti trans hate speech….

Jumping on a human tragedy to push your extremist agenda whilst MN just sits back and lets it happen on multiple threads is as low as you can get.

One wonders how low MN is going to sink. It’s such an unpleasant place now. I guess all HQ cares about now is getting a good price in the sell off.

But yours doesn't have to wait, is that right? How curious. Maybe you can also explain why the victims families would give one single shit that their child's murderer was been referred to as a man on mumsnet?

I'm sick of mumsnet being a one issue website

This is absolute nonsense.

This is a huge board with thousands of topics.

Why are you deliberately misrepresenting it?

When my cousin was murdered (nearly half a century ago, before gender identity had been invented) I wanted a steely focus on the perpetrators, the society that produced them, the touchy-feely 'be-kinders' and the justice system that cared more about the perpetrators than about their victims.

I still do.

What do you mean 'mine doesnt have to wait'. I'm not using this event to campaign for anything.

In the same way as if the person was an immigrant, or a particular ethnicity or whatever I wouldn't think it was respectful for the same day for people to using that to complain about immigration. And for those claiming this is an innocent discussion, there's been pretty much daily anti trans threads on Mumsnet this week, with many of the same posters and the same theme - blame an entire cohort of people and declare them all evil/mentally ill/perverts/child abusers/misogynists/threats to women.

Anyway I'll leave this thread because honestly it just makes me sad that theres so many people on this forum who think that this is the right way to go about things. I don't believe for a second that everyone posting about the trans stuff here actually gives a shit about the children who have been killed, however much you claim to be motivated by 'safeguarding'.

It’s you genderist extremists that have hijacked the tragedy, OP.

All the blatant lies from MSM and the Canadian police about the psychotic young man who’s destroyed so many lives being “female” or a “woman”, to the point that they make that a central point of their press conferences, actually “correcting” those who quite correctly refer to him as “he”.

Making “respect” for this mass murderer’s “identity” more important than accurate reporting of the tragedy is utterly, utterly disrespectful to his victims, as well as the general public.

Those of you who support this vile, bigoted ideology don’t seem to have grasped, despite the huge number of “trans” mass shooters (for such a tiny percentage of the population) that you are actually enabling and colluding with male violence: you are making the world a less safe place for everyone.

This grievance culture you’re so eager to foster, where abusive men see themselves as in true DARVO style as the most put-upon victims in the whole world, is DANGEROUS.

We shouldn’t be telling confused, aggressive boys/young men that yes, they’re really girls/women and supporting their deluded sense of entitlement. We should be making sure they’re given the appropriate MH treatment to help them accept reality and live comfortably with it - and in the cases of the most violent, like this one, we should be reading the warning signs and not letting them anywhere near guns.

All the fetishisation of this “most vulnerable/marginalised” identity is beyond harmful. There are so many instances of these boys and men posing with guns, wearing or posting slogans that like” arm trans people”, “kill the terf”, “punch terfs” etc etc, and it’s justified by this pretence that TIMs really are constantly under attack and just need to defend themselves.

And you are just adding to this culture.

Shame on you.

We should indeed be focusing on the real victims here - the women and children murdered in cold blood by this trans identified young man. The latest casualties among the huge numbers of women and children harmed by genderist ideology in myriad ways.

My thoughts are with Maya Gebala, fighting for her life against the odds, and her family, and the cruelly bereaved families of all the victims; as well of course as the others he injured and the small community of Tumbler Ridge that has been so devastated by his violence.

And you got that evidence from where? Daily Wail? Links please. Trans young people are twice as likely to be victims of crime than be perpetrators.

Yes, well I thought and think it entirely respectful to focus in the days after my cousin's murder on violent and homophobic working class men (he was a nonviolent, gay, working class man), and took and take a dim view on the 'oh the poor traumatised men, they were heterosexual' set.

So your response to the murder of someone close to you is very different from mine. Horses for courses.

I'm not using this event to campaign for anything.

You came on here complaining that accurately describing the murderer was "spewing trans hate". You are absolutely using this horrible mass murder to try to campaign to shut down honest reporting and prioritise a mass murderer's self image over, well, everything.

If he'd been an immigrant to Canada and the news at large was swearing he was a born national, if he'd had red hair and the media was swearing it was black, if he was 6'6" and the media was swearing he had dwarfism, you'd get a lot of people responding with "not true, why are you lying about a plain objective fact"? It's a very reasonable question and warrants discussion.

He was a man and the media are swearing blind he was a woman. Why are we the exploitative arseholes for asking why they're lying, but you're the good guy for trying to shut this down as "hate"?

So bring on the discussion, bring on the naming and the shaming, bring on the finger-pointing. It's the only way to honour the victims' memories.

Completely false. Trans identified men in the UK are more likely to be murderers than to be murdered.

Let’s remember the names of those killed by this trans identified young man:

Kylie Smith

Abel Mwansa

Zoey Benoit

Ticaria Lampert

Ezekiel Schofield

Shannda Aviugana-Durand

Emmett Jacobs

Jennifer Jacobs/Strang

RIP, all

What about if the person wasn't of a specific nationality and he was incorrectly described as such? What if he was described as an immigrant when he was a Canadian citizen? Would you not feel moved to comment on the incorrect reporting?

No it is not true. Trans people are significantly more likely to be victims of crime rather than perpetrators

“It's becoming increasingly clear that the whole trans agenda is creating a generation of mentally distorted, violent individuals with a tendency to take it out on society / "normal" people.”

This is designed to whip up hate. And as for “ normal people”
just vile.

"Trans young people are twice as likely to be victims of crime than be perpetrators."

Really?

Since you are asking for evidence, I think maybe you should post links to your own claim to back it up.

https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

www.stophateuk.org/about-hate-crime/transgender-hate/

@verytall You seem to be on here sharing your views just like everyone else. So are your views allowed to be writen, but those you disagree with, shouldn't?

I bet you'd have a hell of a lot to say on the day if a white male murderer was described by police as a black immigrant, wouldn't you? Same thing.

None of this is transphobic, you using this tragedy as a way to try and police others and call them 'anti trans' just because they don't think a male murderer should be labelled as female, is incredibly transparent. You clearly have your own agenda here, at least own it.

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/17/trans-people-twice-as-likely-to-be-victims-of-in-england-and-wales

Why are you trying to convince everyone to stop talking about the details of this terrible crime?

I don’t imagine the parents of those kids if that little girl in hospital fighting for her life after he shot her in the head twice will be feeling too kindly toward trans ideology at the moment.

As with most situations like this, the bereaved will be searching for answers. They will want to know why he did it, why the police put more people in danger by releasing a totally false description of him, why the worlds media are lying and prioritising the feelings of a dead murderer over the victims’ experience of being shot by a boy with severe m/h issues and why on earth people are disrespecting the victims by demanding that we ignore the major radicalising factor in the whole scenario that has already caused other deaths and will cause more in the future

You, OP and others are the ones showing a complete lack of common decency in demanding that we stop talking about this tragedy. You and much of the global media are disrespecting the facts of the crimes experienced by his victims.

I think that posters who have pointed out that it is vital to have the fullest and most accurate information possible as soon as it comes to hand and before misinformation is spread is some of the best ways to gain understanding as to how this horrific incident happened and to start to understand why.

The people who consistently complain that 'this isn't the time' will use any excuse to try to stop the discussion. In short, there is never a 'right' time, nor a 'good' time.

I have, plenty of links to be found.

Glad to see said inaccurate post designed to whip up hate has now been deleted.

Thanks

Maybe this will help

”Transgender people are over FOUR TIMES more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault”

This quote below keeps appearing:

”Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault”

It was from this press release.

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/press/ncvs-trans-press-release/

I have a few issues with this press release. I think it has been used widely and extensively since it was released. I believe this document discusses those crime statistics

escholarship.org/content/qt7c3704zg/qt7c3704zg.pdf?t=qqfomk&v=lg

It refers to 369 trans people who identified their sex vs 435 061 people who were not trans identified in a study. There were 420 in total.

The numbers of members of each cohort
not transgender - 435,061
transgender man (TIF) - 181
transgender woman (TIM) - 188
prefer not to say - 51

The sample size was not mentioned at all in the press release!!

Just being generous and using the full transgender population of this survey, that equals 420/435061 =0.000965 x 100 = 0.09% is not a population that you could draw many confident conclusions from. And it would be ridiculous to make the comparison on such a small sample size.

Think about this from the point of view that women around the world admit they don’t bother to report their sexual assaults and rapes. Because they have no confidence that they will get justice AND not be vilified in the process.

What % of females actively reporting their attacks vs current trend of not bothering to report would decimate that 420 figure?

And that number cannot be accurately depicted in this point either;

”About half of all violent victimizations were not reported to police. Transgender people were as likely as cisgender people to report violence to police.”

Sure this 'maybe'. However, I believe the huge number of women telling us they don’t report.

This article is misrepresenting the reality.

Then there is this claim:

”Transgender people are over four times more likely than cisgender people to experience violent victimization, including rape, sexual assault, and aggravated or simple assault”

Including! Notice it says ‘including’!

Not ”Trans people are 4 times more likely to experience violent attacks including rape and sexual assault.”

What was NOT included was a handy breakdown of what constituted the crimes against trans people were. What was the bar for a hate crime being committed for instance? Misogyny? Does that fit the definition that holds for transphobic hate crimes?

“One in four transgender women who were victimized thought the incident was a hate crime compared to less than one in ten cisgender women.”

If females were taught how to accurately assess the motivation against them as to whether it constituted a hate crime, or indeed using the very same frames of reference as trans people do but based on sexism, and then they came back and reanswered that same survey, it suspect strongly that it will make that point meaningless? Is misogyny a ‘hate crime’ for instance?

If I were someone using that soundbite from that press release, I would be rather careful about how that information was gathered.

So you claim that trans people are more likely to be a victim of crime, but then link to hate crimes? How many hate crimes were reported against women for being women? Oh that would be none, because women don't have that level of protection, so what figure are you comparing this to exactly?

We tried to talk about it long before this devastating tragedy and they didn't want to allow it then. So if we can't talk about it before it happens, and we can't talk about it after...

Yes.... there are 'plenty of links' of agencies and people misusing the soundbite you linked to. All using the same press release.

Here are some. Just because there are 'lots' doesn't mean that the claim was accurate or had the precision to be useful.

-Statista have used this document.
https://www.statista.com/chart/27456/increased-likelihood-of-us-transgender-people-becoming-victims-of-a-crime/

And yet just a couple of examples of use in 2025 are:

-GenderGP has linked the press release that I posted on their site. From what I can find, the four times only refers to that Williams Institute press release.

Trans People at Four Times Greater Risk of Violence Than Cis People
https://www.gendergp.com/anti-trans-violence-on-the-rise/

" Trans people are more likely than cis people to be victims of a violent crime. Anti-LGBTQ+ hate crimes are also on the rise. This violence influences not only their mental and physical well-being but also when they decide to start gender-affirming healthcare.

Research indicates that trans people are at significantly greater risk of violence than their cis counterparts

A 2021 study published by the Williams Institute at UCLA School of Law found that trans people are four times more likely to experience violence and abuse compared to cis people. Around one in every four trans women who were victims of a violent crime believed it to be due to their gender identity. In comparison, only one in every ten cis women believed it to be due to their gender. Half of all victims of violent crimes did not report it to the police. "

-Here is the Metro, earlier this year.

'A 2021 US-based Williams Institute study found that, in the year 2017-18, trans people are four times more likely than cis people to experience violence, including sexual assault and rape.'

https://archive.ph/Ceb9Z

Article by Ugla Stefanía Kristjönudóttir Jónsdóttir aka 'Owl' Fisher. A male who declares that he is a feminist.

-Politifact in the USA used this sound bite in the Sept 2025 article "Are trans people ‘statistically’ more prone to commit gun violence? Data shows a different picture

https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/sep/09/trans-people-mass-shootings-gun-violence/

They used in the section with the sub heading: Trans people are more likely to be victims, not perpetrators, of violence

Yes, it is true. A murder victim in the UK is statistically more likely to have been murdered by a trans identified male than to be one.

Far more accurate than the now deleted inaccurate post designed to whip up hate against the transgender community.