At least seven dead after school shooting in British Columbia

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cr5lnzqdr5pt

Can’t see a thread on this. What a tragic situation.

You should try read a history book.

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I just noticed this is a merail.

When a poster will post off topic and continue to only engage with replies in the hope that others will be pulled away from the main discussion ans derail over to the poster .]

Off topic answer 👀 not a merail😅

Using my keyboard on the phone.
¹ is a press and hold 1 and i get a pop up box with a range of options eg ⅛ plus ²⁹⁰ on other keys.

If you are on a laptop (etc) keyboard you can check the web as there are combination key pressing which will do the same

You think expressing an opinion compares to murdering children? Like a total moral equivalency?

I know that Canada is not legally recognised as a state of United States technically, I know that. They are different countries technically.
But what I am saying that, culturally, Canada and the United States are one and the same. They are both America.
Like how England and Scotland are both different countries but are both Britain, even if they have different laws.

This is bullshit though. England and Scotland are part of one sovereign country, the United Kingdom, and are each a constituent country within that, as are Wales and NI. They are governed by Westminster apart from some devolved issues.

The US and Canada are just entirely separate countries, like the United Kingdom and France, for instance.

The statistics do not support the claims made here that transgender people are over represented in school shooting perpetrators.

Bearing in mind that the whole transgender nonsense is a fairly recent phenomenon, it's completely unfair to compare statistics of ALL school shootings over the years and say that they weren't perpetrated by transgender men pretending to be women. It would be more accurate to compare school shootings of RECENT years.

Don't be ridiculous. They are both on the continent of North America. They are separate countries. That's like saying we are culturally the same as Albania - both in Europe

Maybe Trump has joined Mumsnet. He also has trouble with geography 😂

Sad,.sad day here in BC. Regardless of who the shooter was and what they're being called ( As of this morning the news CTV Van are not giving any details at all about the shooter neither are the RCMP). That's an important discussion for another day. This morning many heartbroken families aren't rushing around trying to get their teens up and ready for school, they are grieving as are the wider community. As I drop my highschooler off this morning it hits hard, when you wave them off you're expecting to see them again later.

The local police know who it is and if the shooter was male or not.

Plus given the size of the communit there everyone there will know or know of the killer.

Holding back that information only makes people speculate more and make the killing more "attractive" as a media lead.

The fact is that women in general do not carry out this type of mass killing.

The unusual nature of it being labled as a woman shooting up a school after killing her family will only add to the morbidness of the killings.

Today is the day to examine if and why the State of Canada would lable this as a womans crime.

Today is the day to examine if the authorities are withholding information on the sex or gender of the killer for political reasons.

Today is the day to examine what would happen to a male mass killer who claims to be a woman/female in the Canadian Justice system.

Would the State record his sex as female at the trial?

Would the State oblige witnesses to say they were shot by a woman?

Would the State oblige family who lost children have to say the male killer was a female?

Upon conviction would the State send him to a Womens Prison rather than a Mens Prison?

Would the State force the female inmates to provide him with companionship and female employees to pretend he was female when they carry out their duties?

Would the State punish female inmates for refusing comply by making her serve extra time?

Hug your children but ask if your child was killed should your State be given authority to force you to lie about circumstance and the killer.

@AnSolasToday is a day to mourn the loss of 9 people in a small community. We can argue about the rest tomorrow.

Many of us in Canada are ' awake' and pushing back and will continue to do so.
Today we grieve.

Rather baffled as to why someone would say Canada and America are "the same" due to "both being America". Mexico is also on the continent of North America - are they the same culturally too?! I think not.

You are free to choose others will make other choices.

Why on Earth haven't the authorities described the shooter as 'white male, brown hair, wearing a blue dress'. Completely clear, accurate and factual.

Because. It. Is. Canada.

Canada has gender self ID. Canada is fully captured. Except maybe Alberta.

Described them when? They haven't described anything apart from a local warning when the shooter was still active and they did not know the killer's identity. They don't need to issue a physical description (your use of haven't seeming to suggest a timeframe of between the shooting and now) as the suspect is dead.

Today is for the victims and the community.
It really wouldn’t be right to focus too much on the assailant, the initial description given in a panic. The officer that read from a script was clearly struggling and unaccustomed to TV media.
JT is no longer the PM and I believe Amy Hamm’s nursing case is going to the Supreme Court.

Its killer not assailant.

There is no reason to give that killer a softer term.

Set out to kill and killed.

It[s not like America is one homogeneous blob either. Texas is not Vermont is not Alaska is not Hawaii.

the initial description given in a panic.

It hasn't been that for quite a while now, though. That's the issue.

When, in your view, is the appropriate time to state that criminals should be described accurately and their crimes recorded and reported accurately? If people just did that from the start as standard, we wouldn't need to discuss it.

I would say, once it's clear that the correct criminal has been identified. Even though this may seem completely clear-cut, it still needs to be investigated by the Canadian police.

and Tumbler Ridge is not Toronto. Small remote communities never have the mental health support they deserve. I’m surprised to read they have 5 RCMP stationed there with multiple communities within 1 hr drive.
So many in the community would be hunters so guns available. I don’t know anyone whose guns are not kept in a safe with trigger locks, but a 17yr old would know how to get around that.
Culturally FN believe in being Two Spirited so that may pose a problem should the killer be FN.

Culturally FN believe in being Two Spirited so that may pose a problem should the killer be FN.

Not really. Most FN recognise that 2S was appropriated as a version of Trans in the late 90's. 2S was never 'a born in the wrong body' or T identity. And no, he is not FN anyway. He was a hunting/gun enthusiast though, knew his way around a rifle.

Just like the Kevin Vermette shooting the community will know the truth.
I pray for the injured and the community.

Killer confirmed as 18-year-old Jesse van Rootselaar. The police describe the individual as female and say there is a history of police attendance at the family residence, with some calls related to mental illness. It is not clear if the killer was transgender as has been claimed. Previous reports identified a transgender individual named Jesse Strang as the shooter. It is not clear if this is the same person or if the earlier reports were incorrect.

Correction - the police say the subject identified as female and was transgender, having been born male.