Dubai single mum

[Shazzashaz]

Hi, posting on behalf of my daughter who is just starting court proceedings to relocate to Dubai with her daughter as dad not give permission. Just seeing if there are other mums going through or have gone through this for advice and support on how to get a good outcome on a caffcass 7 report done. X

Where is OP? I'm wondering if this a sort of reverse that OP is the single mum and not it's going the way she hoped.
But assuming it is the d, of all the countries she could relocate to, why such one who doesn't have a good track record for women's rights?
Does she even have a job lined up? I'm no expert but a lot of these countries have tight regulations for immigration to them, need a job, sponsor, sufficent saings to get established etc and mostly importantly somewhere to live. Some places won't allow you to live there permanantly even with all the fore amentioned.

Incorrect on every aspect. It's in the child's best interest to have a positive relationship with both parents. If this means one parent doesn't move to the other side of the world (and a country with an atrocious record of women's rights to boot), then this is what the court will decide.

How is the father supposed to see his child if she moves to Dubai? How is she to have a relationship with him?

They aren’t in charge of issuing the visas though. Or of the justice system.

Must cost you a fair whack in Rolex and phones. You should move to Dubai.

Divorce is permissible in Islam in fact they’re encouraged to marry divorcees so I doubt she would have much trouble in that regard.

i am more interested in why she must relocate all the way to Dubai knowing her child’s father is involved and, expect him to be ok with it.

So how many mobile phones and Rolexes have you had stolen ?

Never had a Rolex. One snatch theft of a phone

90% of Dubai are IMMIGRANTS - funnily enough with a high percentage of the British ones being the people who blame everything that's gone wrong in Britain on immigrants who don't speak our language and don't fit in with our culture...

Why do Brits insist on calling themselves ex pats when they are actually seen as foreigners or immigrants to the country they move to?
Does it make them feel special because they are from the U.K?
Have never understood this twatty ex pat status.

This has to be a troll!! Who in their right mind would do this, it’s bizarre

Quite.

Baffles me why people go there to live or on holiday knowing that the place runs on slavery, people trafficing and a misogynistic religion.

Yet not a single protest about any of this in the UK (no Jews there I guess).

I know someone that relocated with their child and the dad faught it.
The mother was granted relocation. But these were the factors.
Mother had remarried, both mother and new husband had secure job offers in high salaries in the new country and were able to prove a secure family unit.
Mother had to agree to fly back to the uk with child for access and handover in the uk in lerson the child 4 times a year to stay with the father.
Country was a safe and wealthy british overseas territory.
Mother was able to prove the standard of living in the new country was far exceeding what they could offer here. So secure accomodation, private school place with evidence of ability to pay fees.
It took a year to go through the courts and in that time the mothers husband already had gone to the new country and set up their life there and then once granted the mother and child followed.

So did the uk to be fair.. and still does to a certain extent.

Well that’s not my experience as a divorce lawyer with many successful relocation cases under my belt. It is entirely possible to succeed with an application to the court to move to another country. There is also no presumption that Dubai is an unsafe place to relocate to. In fact, the opportunities as an expat there are usually extremely good and it’s pretty easy to be able to prove that things like education and medical care far exceed the standard that the child receives in England and wales, usually because it’s paid for by an employer as part of a package.

Agree. From the person I know that moved countries, their child has a far superior quality of life from the move than they would ever have had here. Definitely medical is 100 times better anywhere where you are overseas and have a private health care plan in place. Schooling is cheaper usually and so is housing. So if you have a good job then it is easy to prove that the standard of living will be better. And then as for seeing the other parent, times and visits are put in place. In the uk people can still move 6 hours away from each other and have the same issues with time spent with each parent.

Don’t be so utterly ridiculous. What specific risks does she face as a single mother? Please also do point to any cases of a person being stoned.

You must be thinking of some other Middle Eastern city. That does not happen in Dubai these days, and it was for adultery, not for merely being a single mother. Single mothers who are not of the local faith are in a much better position in Dubai if they have a good, secure, job with accommodation and schooling included in their package (which is not necessarily the case these days), than they would be in the UK, I think. Mind you, in the first place, I’m almost certain the UAE authorities require permission from the child’s father for the child to be away from him, possibly what is known as a No Objection Certificate, so the OP’s daughter is on a hiding to nothing with this one, since the child’s father has already refused his permission.

If she gets a decent enough salary then she'll be able to have a full time nanny.
Bad things happen to women and girls in the UK as well well like the poor child who was raped in a park by an Afghani immigrant. Dubai is extremely safe.

They both live in the UK now, presumably @Shazzashaz ? Why would the courts give permission to move a child so far from their father, is there some issue you're not mentioning (abuse etc)?

I think the next time your DD mentions Dubai, you need to ask her if she know what a portable potty is?

If she says yes, then you have reasons to be concerned. If she says no then you need to educate her and tell her what goes on in Dubai.

If she's insistent on living somewhere sunny and trashy, suggest Marbella or Costa del Crook as a safer (and cleaner and less toilety) alternative.

Ok, so a few people have mentioned the potty thing now, and I have no idea what they are talking about and am too scared
yo google it! Can anyone explain in terms that wouldn’t overly overwhelm a maiden aunt please?!

Yes, this is what people like to forget. I feel so strongly about this.

Just one question.

Is she fucking nuts?

I’ve googled for you, as I’d never heard of it before (I lived in Dubai for a decade). Think Epstein. Why is it better if a Westerner does it than an Arab? I mean, obviously it is disgusting, but I don’t understand why it is apparently less palatable in one wealthy part of the world than another?