Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

She’d have gotten away with it had it not been for Fred being in jail when her step daughter died. They had very little on her.

Well, for a start, she was convicted based on circumstantial evidence - and supposed 'medical testimonies' by so-called experts ... (So, convicted on opinions really!) rather than direct physical proof in the form of forensic evidence like DNA or fingerprints. There is real physical or forensic proof that she killed any babies.

Upshot is: there's not a scrap of actual tangible physical evidence that she did anything to harm any babies. Just that she was on shift when all the deaths occured (apparently!)

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that’s a bizarre reaction to this thread.

they obviously wouldn’t mind because they think she’s innocent!
and even if it was just incompetence by her, then she shouldn’t be spending her life in prison

It’s so hard to know because just above you is also a nurse of 30 years saying she’s worked with thousands of nurses and no one has ever done the Facebook thing or taken handover notes home 🤷🏻‍♀️ and that she finds it odd

It was cumulative circumstantial evidence so much more powerful - a lot of the time evidence is circumstantial

there were 6 experts - 7 consultants and then 20 other witnesses

Cluster patterns of unexplained baby collapses and recovery which she present for - collapses stopped when she wasn’t there

I'm amazed nobody ever did Facebook - how could their colleagues know. But I know different departments at work can have really different cultures, management that is hands on / hands off. So it wouldn't surprise me if there were some wards where these things happened a lot, especially before new GDPR regulations, and others where they were rarer.

I don’t know her and I’ve certainly never been described as vulnerable in real life 🤣
I get that I don’t really know what a serial killer would be like.
is she a scapegoat for an underperforming hospital with a lot of guilt around how her clinical actions may have impacted these deaths? Being a nurse and having someone die in your care would surely be quite traumatic. The handwritten notes “I did this” could be her beating herself up on the fact the babies died in her care and there were other written notes like “I didn’t do anything wrong” but people seem less focused on those.

So the person doing it made sure nothing happened when she wasn't there, but made sure it did when she was there. Pretty obvious.

Someone at a workplace I was at some years ago, was suspected of thieving money, as every time they were in (3 days a week) money was lifted. On the 2 days they weren't in, nothing was nicked.

Turned out to be someone who worked 5 days a week, who was thieving when the 3 day a week worker was in, so they could point the finger at them.

Some people are very cunning and sly.

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See I don’t understand why they needed a scapegoat as they couldn’t convince managers there was anything amiss

For me that rules out scapegoating

This exactly. ^

Do you think juries are infallible? Despite the many, many serious miscarriages of justice that have happened down the years? Many involving women accused of the deaths of babies, many of them convicted on later discredited "expert" evidence. This is what I think is the biggest problem with the Criminal Justice System- this weird reluctance to admit that it- like any system- has major flaws.

The documentary showed about 10% of the evidence they had to show she was guilty. It was missing a hell of a lot of other information including the fact she fished a consultants note and a blood gas out of the confidential waste bin after attempting resus on one of her victims to
keep as a souvenir under her bed. Or the countless times she was caught lying on the stand. Or how a parent walked in the room to her baby having blood coming out of its mouth etc. there was so much more the documentary didn’t go into and if you followed the whole trial like the jury did for 10 months you might have come to the same conclusion! I feel sick for the parents who are facing these stupid claims she is innocent and feel even more sorry for the parents that will never see justice because the CPS darent convict based on all these fantasy’s. To think a whole department of neonatal consultants who actually cared babies were dying in their care would set up one individual for what reason?? They were the ones pushing for an investigation while the hospital kept ignoring them!
stupid people making stupid uniformed comments she is innocent without all the facts

Yes, this.

The whole 'jury' system needs binning. 12 randoms, some who can probably barely string a sentence together, and may be racist, bigoted, or sexist, or just a bit of a cunt in general, get to decide the fate of someone's life and future. (Often based on bullshit flimsy 'evidence!') Beggars belief that it's ever been a thing really.

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legally I don't think that they proved it but I am very sure that she did it.

Not infallible. But they know a hell of a lot more than anyone on this thread who I’d wager money on are neither experts in criminal justice, nor sat through every day of the trial.

It’s not that - you can believe the systems is flawed and still think she’s guilty

I’m not sure this doesn’t seem the type’ holds up tbh. I mean Harold Shipman didn’t seem the type either did he?

So agree with this

Possibly, but I don't think you would get many experts prepared to say that they weren't convinced any murders had taken place.

You are completely incorrect.

She was removed from night shifts to day shifts. When she was removed from the neonatal unit in the summer of 2016 to work in an administrative role, the neonatal unit was downgraded. Ten years later it is still downgraded.

The downgrade explained why there were less sick babies not the cluster patterns while she was there and before downgrade

yes often addled told me she didn’t come back after admin - I thought she did and had a letter of apology

events reduced at night when she was put on days and stopped altogether when she was removed

An awful lot wasn't shared with the jury - they weren't told about the external report saying the unit was unsafe and medical experts saying failings in care contributed to numerous deaths.

And more has come out since.

I don't know we can have any confidence they'd have made the same decision if they had all of the additional facts that have come out since their deliberations

I was also aware while watching that there were probably a lot more facts. There often are. There'll be info that the media don't know, but the police do. Even without knowing a great deal about the Letby case, the Netflix doc felt contrived and that they were cherry picking facts to support a format/structure - it was obvious that they were going for the bait & switch approach for maximum TV emotional impact.

did they make her look guilty or innocent?

Guilty as hell at first and then they start bringing in the seeds of doubt.