Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

What seeds of doubt? (I haven’t got Netflix)

Dr. Shoo Lee's report.

They were still deemed as ‘unexpected’ deaths. Deafhs which followed the pattern of lucy’s shifts between day and night.

I don’t believe it a coincidence that there were zero unexpected deaths after she was removed.

As for blaming the ward conditions/shit staff etc, every bloody NHS ward in the country is like that. After both the births of my kids i had issues with nurses not having a bloody clue what medication i had already been given and tried to double dose me. One time on blood thinners! But no other ward is experiencing shit loads of unexpected deaths.

And a ward doesn’t become better overnight if that were the case for the deaths to then suddenly stop.

I don’t see that theory as a plausible explanation. Lucy was also caught lying a couple of times in the interviews, and had no other theory to suggest.

The deaths were reduced at nights. -they stopped when she was removed

unit downgraded a few months after

But is it on Netflix?

(Sorry 😂)

Yes, they discuss Dr. Shoo Lee's report on Netflix.

This👆. I believe she’s guilty but can see why others disagree. IMHO she was causing mayhem to attract positive attention on herself so she looked saintly. I don’t think murder was her MO, it was being falsely compassionate and so hard for her to bear. It got her compassion from peers and she wanted that kudos.
So so beyond sad
for the babies and their families. LL is a murderer but for different reasons to most other murderers, not sure she even cared for anyone other than herself and how ‘wonderful’ she appeared to peers, friends and hospital management…not to mention the doctor she had a crush on and wanted to see him, first and foremost.
She Is a classic case of attention seeking to be liked and admired.
She is incredibly insecure in her social self and wants to ‘shine’ so she’s noticed and loved and admired.

Reading this thread, it is pretty noticeable that there are many PPs who are not convinced that the conviction is safe based on reading reports from medical and legal experts. And most PPs of the "definitely guilty, you can tell she's a bad'un, she's a bit weird" based on Netflix series and tabloid stories about the things she searched for on Facebook.

Were the notes found at her parents or at her house?

Both - they were found after two different arrests and she was living with her parents the second time

@HattieJ2 At her own house along with a paper shredder, that she denied having. And her parents also.
All in chronological order and in boxes marked “KEEP”.
Come on folks, that’s a massive link to her crimes.

This is good point i think. The trial went on for months so they can’t possibly fit all the evidence and arguments into a 90 min doc.

Surely proving that these poor babies were deliberately harmed is the first thing anyone should be asking, you can't convict someone of something that didn't happen although we seem to be pretty good at that.

10 months so hell of a lot of evidence put forward and examined

I remember people putting that about after her first trial, but I don't think it really works. There's nothing to suggest she got much praise or recognition for her work. She didn't play a central part in resuscitations. You can see in witness testimonies that the nurses didn't really remember who did what - the registrar and consultant were the stars. The registrar Lucy Letby got close to who did praise her etc only started to work on the ward after four of the children had died.

Up to you how you judge her but just want to put that information out there

She didn’t get the kudos she desired or felt she deserved but kept trying.
Surely that’s obvious.

To much doubt . I think it’s a cover up , it was hospital neglect mostly from consultants and ate is the scapegoat .

I went through some trauma last year. There are multiple notes on my phone saying "this is all my fault" and "I did this". I was completely wrong, but in a traumatic situation that makes no sense because you do not have enough information I find this very relatable, actually.

Only to fantasists.

But they didn’t need to scapegoat anyone because the management were saying nothing to see here all is fine - so that makes no sense

Yea we don’t know anything about her inner world

Of which I am not. Honestly I’d prefer it was all hospital error and not LL. I feel she is mildly mentally ill and desperate for a quiet attention that makes her feel loved and valid and valued.
It all got out of hand.

It’s kind of ironic that a lot of the previous threads on here have accused people with concerns about the safety of the conviction of being ‘pound shop Poirots’ and ‘wannabe Miss Marples’ and then you get posts like this, which are pure fantasy.

The jury took 4 weeks to decide so it doesn’t seem to me that it was as clear cut as you describe.

It’s frustrating that we can’t discuss this factually and share opinions without reference being made to people as being “stupid” just because they don’t share your viewpoint.

I would say that was quite consise given it was 6 cases and lots of complex evidence - I think that makes me think it’s more sound