Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

You’re really stretching it…2 killers

10 deaths is highly suspicious

I’m never going to agree with you - the world is made of lots of people with differing opinions

move on!

Thank you I have read this report it is very interesting.

Two things stand out.

1. The staffing of the doctors was insufficient, by a significant standard. This is the main factor that the reports contributes to the deaths
2. There was also insufficient nursing and a high usage of agency nursing. Even though the agency nurses seemed pretty consistent this is also an increased risk.

The report doesn’t seem too concerned about the deaths of the patients but does note that the investigation by the “enthusiastic” medical team did not follow the proper protocol.

This report was published in 2016- dies anyone know when the police were called in?

I never suggested there was 2 killers, I don't even think there was one killer. I'm saying that if they focused on someone else they could have just as easily found as much circumstantial evidence against that person.

I was just engaging in debate about the topic, I certainly wasn't trying to aggressively try to make you agree, and I am fully accepting that the world is made up of people with differing opinions so not sure why you have chosen to respond this way.

Yes, police were brought in through a series of meetings April - May 2017.

Meanwhile there were reviews of the individual deaths but we don't have the full reports for them. We just know that they concluded there were significant failings in care around the majority of deaths.

That's interesting because she actually displayed many of these behaviours as well.

• Isolating target patients (this was Dr. Shipmans MO)
• Harrassment and bullying of members of staff that worked with her targeted patients
• Coming into work on days when not on shift to "socialise" on the ward
• Being on hospital premesis when not scheduled to visit the patients
• Harassement of family post death of the baby i.e. keeping in contact after the funeral.

She did all of these.

Because you keep coming back with arguments already aired that I don’t agree with so it feels like going over old ground

maybe debate with someone else

I wouldn't say so. She is said to have come in sometimes on days off (which isn't too odd when she lived at hospital accommodation) but none of the rest apply that I can see.

Ooo coming in on days off - you would think she needed a rest!

Weekends as well…who knows, maybe she wanted the extra money because she was struggling a little paying a mortgage and other bills by herself.

No I think they mean she came to the unit not to work

I have to say, I don't have a source for her coming in on days off - I've just seen it claimed online

At least in 2015, she did the overtime for financial reasons:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-64419757.amp

In that case that will no doubt have been documented somewhere, and it would be useful to know thw source, the frequency and any established purpose - for example a birthday gathering or leaving do, which I have seen happen on wards myself. Vastly different to the insinuation that she was just hanging around creepily and didn't have a life.

Yes, she was getting her deposit together for her house

Her manager said she could always call on Lucy when the unit was over capacity. That happened often at night if there were intensive care babies in. So she was there when a baby was more likely to die

But you keep coming back with arguments already aired as well. Everyone isn’t here to debate with you, but if you keep repeating the same old same old, it’s likely you’ll get the same responses.

Yes according to some you'd think the super nurse never even had any days off! She was always working, and that's why all the suspicious events followed her...
If you believe them that she worked far more than the others, only makes it all the more suspicious about why she always wanted to be there. She even wanted updates about work when she was on holiday.

Yea and then we talk about it for a while and move on

same arguments as they still stand

ah I thought it meant coming in on days off

Christ on a bike, I've heard it all now. Anyone who works hard, is passionate about their job, and wants to bolster their financial position should be viewed with suspicion apparently 🙄

Doing "bank" shifts is surprisingly lucrative, according to HCPs I know. If you don't have family commitments and actually enjoy the job, and want to get ahead on a fresh mortgage, how the hell can it be regarded as sinister. Also, while I'm on this roll, people regularly get lambasted on work / financial threads for not working all the hours God sends and securing their financial position and pension. Double standards at their finest, and hefting a whole bale of straw!!

Yes that's exactly it-coming in on her days off. I was just saying well it's amazing she had any days off if you listen to the people who say she worked so much more than all the rest of the team put together. But she was just saving for a house deposit of course! Weren't most of the rest of the staff literally the same age as her anyway. Yet it's only Lucy people are convinced worked so much overtime (and if that's true then why did she always want to be there-even on her days off?)

She isn’t anyone who works hard though is she

I didn't say that there is no proof. I said that I don't believe that they proved it legally. I believe she will get off on appeal. I am not allowed to say why I am sure she is guilty.

She is someone who is regarded as working hard. What's your point? Or are you fixated on some bizarre notion that she ninja-ed her way into the ward at every opportunity and carried out "attacks" mission impossible style at every opportunity?

And you can move on without being so rude about it.
You can simply stop replying to the topic in question instead like most other people do when they don't want to discuss a point further.

People under pressure panic and say things. That doesn't mean she did it. I imagine she was terrified.