Lucy letby

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Do you think she did it ? Watched the documentary and I’m not sure she should have been convicted

If the alleged affair had any substance to it, you can guarantee it would have been dissected to the nth degree to further discredit her.

@MistressoftheDarkSide The prosecution asked her if she had an affair with him and she denied it, as did he when he testified ("Well he would, wouldn't he"? to quote Mandy Rice-Davies) - the prosecution couldn't do anything else after that. But lots of things about the relationship were brought up during the trial:

They went on day trips in Cheshire and London
He visited her house, the house where she lived alone
He pulled strings to get her a placement at the hospital where he worked and passed on confidential information about Baby N to her
They exchanged 1,355 Facebook messages during the three months they worked together

In the 2024 public enquiry he said he supported her after she was moved off the neonatal unit in July 2016.

Is all that typical of a platonic relationship between a heterosexual man and woman? Let's call a spade a spade here.

The motive that the prosecution put forward - she killed to get his attention - is something that's always been at the back of my mind about this case. I don't think I'm reaching when I say that because of her inexperience with men, she could have attached herself to him in more ways than one, more psychologically than anything else, and he - twenty years her senior - was flattered and reciprocated.

she absolutely needs and deserves another trial - her defence team were useless! I initially thought she did it now I'm not so sure after hearing that apparently there were waaay more incidents, 24 injuries/deaths and she was only on shift for 17 of them so despite being told she was there for every death and injury… she wasn’t. The prosecutors just picked those 17 because she was there and they fit their narrative. Apparently in one instance they thought a baby had been suffocated, but they didn’t bring it up at trial because Lucy Letby hadn’t been working. Then again, she wrote some crazy things in her diary?! I am really torn, it’s so sad for the parents.

There was one box marked "keep", and it didn't contain any information about the babies that died.

Presumably the facebook messages have been scrutinised and if there was an affair it would have been confirmed?

It only had 5 pieces of paper in it. All the others were stuffed in carrier bags.

I thought he wasn't asked anything at all about his relationship with her while on the stand.

At the pre-trial hearing when he applied for anonymity he said he was the subject of unrequited affection from Letby (clearly that's a lie going by their messages) and also that she targeted his wife on facebook (which again I highly doubt was true or else it would have been used against her during the trial).

I think it seemed clear that he would be willing to lie on the stand and deny any relationship/inappropriateness with her.

Not sure how he got away with it tbh, but if there was a relationship and she said it happened and he denied it on stand that would have looked even worse for her, people would have made out she created a fantasy relationship with him in her head.

He didn't start working at the hospital until after the first four babies died, so the idea that she was killing babies to get his attention there doesn't work.

What the hell is this about affair?

fill me in someone???

She also wrote that she didn't do it and was innocent, yet very little has been mad eof that.

No, a pile of things that aren’t evidence just becomes a big pile of non evidence.

With the handover notes, if the retained notes were mostly or all relating to the relevant babies, and she had carefully preserved them, then that would be stronger. It still wouldn’t be a slam dunk though, because there are still other explanations than trophies. She could have kept the sheets relating to babies who died to support her reflective practice, or in case there was an investigation, or because she herself was suspicious and considering raising it…

As it happens, the notes which related to the relevant babies are a minute fraction of the overall. Therefore you can’t link the keeping of notes with the deaths. You can only use the fact that she kept them to cast a slur on her character. And in a way that says nothing at all about her propensity to commit murder.

I think it's more than slightly possible that a married man may not want to be explicit in his messages to the woman he's shagging on the side, don't you? And her too, given he's married and they worked together?

Don’t you read the relationships board 😂

I wasn’t referring to the Notes

i agree a pile of no evidence is a pile of no evidence

they cumalative evidence in this case isn’t that

What do you include?

I presume they were well into emotional affair territory (for him as a married man). But he denies anything except emotional support, she said she loved him as a friend, and whatever happened came well after the first four deaths she's been blamed for. He only moved to the hospital later in 2015.

So I don't think whatever happened is relevant and I don't think we can know exactly what it was anyway.

All the stuff in the ten month trial

Well a lot of time was spent talking about crap like the handover notes, social media searches, text messages, confession notes, and whether or not she was arrested wearing PJs which we now know she was. And since the medical evidence is now seriously in question, it’s all increasingly looking like a house of cards.

But there could also have been a ton of circumstantial evidence against anyone else at the hospital but it was never found because they didn't search their homes etc.

At Thirlwall a set of parents said that when they heard their baby collapsed that a nurse was very odd and inappropriate with them, the mother said she turned to her husband and said that that nurse had done something to the baby. That wasn't LL. If the police had suspected that nurse then who knows what circumstantial evidence they could have found on her if they delved into everything and dissected all of her shifts and interactions and searched her home and phone.

That doesn't mean that the obsessive, perhaps twisted, love she may have experienced wasn't a factor in the killings after she met him. What do you think of her asking him for information - and him giving it - about baby N?

No because they’d already worked out she was a common denominator - the circumstances pointed to her

I don't understand why she wouldn't ask him about baby N? She and her other friends texted about the babies and families a lot, so I'd be surprised if she didn't ask him about them too

And they could have worked out someone else was a common denominator if they had been focused on them instead and disregarded other cases where it couldn't have been them.

She was the one present when more deaths and when deaths happened

Everything can be interpreted a myriad of ways - that’s why the cumulative evidence is powerful

What is this affair??? Someone put me in the picture..

Yes but let's say there was in fact a serial killer (I don't think there was but let's say there was for the sake of argument) and let's say they killed 4 babies, but someone else was present for the deaths of 7, the presence at more of the deaths doesn't mean that the one who was at more deaths is the serial killer.