To think that no racist ever admits they are a racist

[Sweetiedarling7]

“I’m not a racist but…”
I hear this so often. Does any racist ever come out and say they are a racist?
I don’t think so.

Racists are blissfully happy being racist.

But they don’t want to be called racist.

It’s weird and you are not wrong to note this.

I think it's ok to criticise tenets of other cultural beliefs / religions and often that's considered racism. It's absolutely absurd to think skin colour is indicative of worth.

The meaning of the term has changed hugely over my lifetime (early 60s). When someone asks me if I'm a feminist, for eg, I always ask them what they mean by that term. Then, based on what they say, I respond thoughtfully.

I consider myself a strong feminist - just to be clear - and always have since my late teens. But people mean different things by 'feminist'. An incel-type man will mean something different from a professional woman, for example. And I do think that contemporary feminism has thrown up some problems which actually don't help women.

Same with racism. I thought I knew what that meant until about 10 years ago. Actual racism makes me furious and I've actively fought it over my career.

But I wouldn't 'take the knee', for example. And I don't accept the blame for the European colonial past either. To some, that makes me a racist.

I have a lovely Asian DIL and am delighted to have her in the family.

I don't think going looking for racism helps anyone. When poor Benedict Cumberbatch, at an award ceremony, got practically lynched for using the 'wrong' term (coloured actors) instead of 'actors of colour' a few years ago, I thought that was pathetic and only serves to inflame the real racists.

If they say similar things to all meat-eaters, non-free-range farmers, etc,, then they are a bit extreme but not racist.

If they reserve them for non-white Muslims, then they are racist.

You shouldn't believe all the dogma about 'race privilige' it's just a luxury belief by the overspoilt white middle classes.

White boys are now least likely to go to University, how does that fit your world view?

Life expectancy of mainly white area -Hull compared to mainly asian area Dagenham

• Kingston upon Hull (2022-24): Approximately 75.5 years for men and 80.4 years for women. Earlier data (2020-22) listed Hull as having one of the lowest male life expectancies in England at 75.0 years.
• Barking and Dagenham (2021-23): Approximately 77.3 years for men and 81.0 years for women.

I know people who are overt racist and happy with their views. I generally avoid and those I cant avoid steer conversation away, I will never convince them.

My DMs husband, in his 80s now, used to be open about voting NF! I imagine hes a reform now.

The much younger ones in their 20s-40s use The great Reset and Replacement theories as their 'proof' that we are being invaded by design and as such we should be 'rising up' or we will become the 3rd world ourselves.

I tend to roll eyes and avoid. Any discussion leads to them saying that I'm a traitor to my country! 🤔

I heard a commentator on the radio (sorry can’t remember his name) who described racism/unconscious bias like this.

ask someone if they are a liar they will say no of course not. Ask them if they’re always honest in all circumstances and the answer is… well, no, not always.

He explained if you swap racism for lying/dishonesty in this example, it opens a more nuanced discourse about attitudes/bias without a loaded label which nobody wants to admit to.

when racism is defined by an all or nothing (racist/not racist) label, it makes it very difficult to tackle more subtle inequalities such as bias during recruitment, legal sentencing etc.

White boys now least likely to go to Uni. But you were very much ok with it when black/brown students (with much better qualifications) were subsiding the local students and their cheap long term loans by paying fees almost 3 times higher and then being kicked out of the country post graduation.

You were quite ok with it when all min. Wages were the domain of black of brown people.

It is only NOW to the fuckery of the economic and foreign policies of various governments, that things are now hitting home for you. It is NOW that in reality your precious white boy might have to apply to jobs that you see beneath you - now ONLY NOW, are you upset.

I am not even going to get started on Britain’s colonial history.

It is only because it is now affecting you and your DS’s that you are bothered. Prior to that, you were quite happy to sit in your entitlement.

Did you consider that when I have been called such terms, it was obvious that the other person also wasn't criticising in good faith?

As far as I can remember none of the accusations of being far right, a nazi, or a racist have been in conversations vaguely related to race or immigration. The last one was to do with grammar schools I think.

Lol.

It depends. If it's just a matter of using a word that you didn't realize was now offensive- especially if the word's associations have changed over time- then you're not racist; though you would be if you insisted on continuing to use the word after it was pointed out.

If it involves an assumption about a certain race, then I suppose you are being racist, though not ill-intentioned. I suppose we're all racist to some degree (and if we;re not, we almost always have some form of harmful stereotype about some group of people); the question is whether we're prepared to learn and change our views.

Sounds like it happens to you quite frequently. I wonder why that would be.

While it's a valid point I do think we have to bear in mind some caveats around this

My own experience comes largely from recruitment, where because of the sector and area my candidates were 90% from one demographic

Unfortunately this didn't stop some hurling accusations of racism when they didn't get a job, on the basis of "Let's chuck everything and see what sticks", and never mind the fact that the successful person would almost invariably be from the very same demographic

But Halal slaughter causes much more distress than the usual forms of slaughter in the UK. Would they be ok to point this out that the requirements of their faith is a lot worse re animal welfare and that they should criticise it? Is it islamaphobic to heavily argue that it should be banned in the UK? (Same with Kosher) www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

It is NOW that in reality your precious white boy might have to apply to jobs that you see beneath you - now ONLY NOW, are you upset.

I am not even going to get started on Britain’s colonial history.

Precious white boy?

Why are white children always eventually spoken about like this on threads about racism?

A pp touched on the generation of young, angry white men who are coming up behind us, who are speaking about total remigration and have very fixed ideas on who is English/British, and who isn’t.

It is no coincidence that these are the very same children who had ideas of white privilege, that only white people can be racist, inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.

I don’t agree with their views in the slightest, but we are well and truly about to reap what we have sown.

“inherent racism, guilt about colonialism etc forced upon them at school. People speaking about them, like you have, with such open disgust, contempt and distain.”

1. Please - they barely teach the true reality of colonialism at school - you are absolutely deluded if you think that.
2. History - it IS white men who colonised countries and raped the women as well as stripping countries of their resources.
3. Later, after we’d finally pulled ourselves out of the shit show you left us - economic collapse, mixed race children who are the product of rape and therefore shunned by society - you were then VERY happy to receive us to clean, drive your buses, work in hospitals, look after your elderly.

It is only NOW that you are realising that is HARD to get a University place. It is only NOW that you are clocking that University is an expensive and selective pathway.

I am a mother and I dont see children in colour terms. A white boy is equivalent to a black girl in my eyes.

It is YOU @Vivi0 that I have issue with with your dismissive posts, your myopia, your absolute refusal to acknowledge racism and how it impacts people, the desire to sweep big topics under the carpet (no discussion about reparations EVER entertained), no acknowledgement of the lived experiences on this thread and your frankly weird deflections.

That is my issue. If people like you owned the past and assessed how we got here, we could actually move on.

But YOU came on a thread about racism, ignored all the stories and anecdotes from people of colour and THEN proceeded to talk about white boys and say that I am speaking with contempt. It’s literally top tier entitlement.

I have no disgust or disdain for white boys - why would I?

I am tired of people like you who have never actually experienced racism or advocated against it that come and tell black/brown people how WE should react so that our oppressors feel more comfortable.

100 % agree with everything you said, but sorry you had to say it.

You’re kidding. People did not welcome them. Some did. Now you ask someone and they will say send them back.

People were more empathetic because it was Europe, Putin.

You clearly didn’t understand the point the pp made about white boys and university.

It’s not about it NOW being harder for white boys to get university places, it’s that by far, the demographic that is most likely to be living in poverty, underachieving educationally and least likely to overcome their circumstances in adulthood, are young, white working class men. This isn’t new, it’s a recognised, long term issue.

The pp was making the point about what they called “race privilege” in contrast with this statistic.

The Government even warned schools to stop teaching white privilege as fact.

And who is the “YOU” you keep referencing? Why are you saying “YOU” like I’m personally responsible for any of the things you’ve listed?

I’m not.

But YOU came on a thread about racism, ignored all the stories and anecdotes from people of colour and THEN proceeded to talk about white boys and say that Iam speaking with contempt. It’s literally top tier entitlement.

Excuse me? Did you forget that you said “your precious white boy” in a way that was dripping with contempt. I called you out on that. That’s not entitlement. I thought your comment was disgusting. It’s that simple.

If people like you owned the past and assessed how we got here, we could actually move on

I don’t need to own shit. I’m of Irish descent and my family and people have their own history of oppression. It’s not a competition. Nor does anyone else need to own what happened in the past. It’s 2026 for fucks sake, and no one alive today owes anyone else alive today anything for events that occurred hundreds of years ago. No one alive today is responsible for events that occurred hundreds of years ago and I would go as far as to say that no one alive today is a victim of events that occurred hundreds of years ago.

It is YOU that I have issue with with your dismissive posts, your myopia, your absolute refusal to acknowledge racism and how it impacts people, the desire to sweep big topics under the carpet (no discussion about reparations EVER entertained), no acknowledgement of the lived experiences on this thread and your frankly weird deflections.

I am tired of people like you who have never actually experienced racism or advocated against it that come and tell black/brown people how WE should react so that our oppressors feel more comfortable.

Lol. Where have I done or said any of this?

This is an open forum and I’m as free to post here as you are. I’m not telling anyone how to feel or react. Simply responding to posts on an open forum. It’s really not that deep.

Most of the time it's because some Americans think that anyone who doesn't follow gender ideology is right wing, Christian, racist etc.

With grammar schools it was I think because I queried whether the 11+ was a racist test, and querying whether something is racist is a sure sign of racism.

Essentially I think political discourse is too polarised and accusations of all sorts get thrown around too readily, but when you question whether there was really a sound basis to call a person or thing racist, homophobic, transphobic etc there will usually be someone who takes that as proof that you are.

It will “never be that deep” for you. As you are white. Lucky you.

Ok so if they were female it would be ok then?

I live near a migrant hotel and there has never been any issues with the occupants locally. They've been there six years. Only time there was an protest, the DM etc tried to brand them locals but nobody from the area had ever seen them before. They were just shit stirrers from out of town.

Branding asylum seekers and migrants en masse to be 'illegals', sexual predators and wrong 'uns incapable of integrating into society is tarring everyone with the same brush.

If a proportion of British people lived abroad and did something illegal, it would be racist for the locals to think that all Brits or all migrants were like that.

I find this quite an interesting thread, although I will admit to being a bit ignorant of some things , and do recognise that I have lived for the most part a fairly privileged life.

however I do think that there is a generation of people ( mine as it is !) who grew up being taught at school that racism is bad (with really very little extra context then that!) but went home at night to quietly racist parents- not people who would say something unpleasant to others , but would call the corner shop the “p shop” , pull a face when having to drive through a different side of town, or comment on their doctor’s race or who was likely to be part of local crime - all behind closed doors of course (so of course they aren’t racist, they use the corner shop alllll the time !)

im quite sure that even if we try and be inclusive, this sort of upbringing must run fairly deep.

I would of course say that I’m not racist , (indeed it would be instantly sackable within my workplace) but (🤪) wonder how deep that sort of upbringing does influence me . Even subconsciously.

I hope the next generation has less of that kind of background

The Left just can’t seem to acknowledge this, the rise of the far right is in direct response to the foisting upon us far Left ideology and the acceptance by the establishment that this is the only “correct” way of thinking. Everyone who has used the term “white make privilege” has had a hand in the rise of the far right. Their failure to acknowledge and address this will mean that the far right just keep gaining ground.

Nonsense. The odd lesson at school about colonialism and a few assemblies aimed at addressing racism are a tiny part of the overall experience of a white child. And there is no evidence whatsoever to suggest that white children grow up hearing disparaging comments about them because they are white. Most white people will never be insulted in a way that references their skin colour and few white people encounter the term 'white privilege' outside of studies or the subject.
If you really think that young Jack from a small WC almost all white town like mine, votes Reform and thinks Tommy Robinson 'talks sense' because he's deeply hurt by accusations of white privilege and has strong views on CRT, then you need to get out of your ivory tower and come and meet the people you're defending.