To think that no racist ever admits they are a racist

[Sweetiedarling7]

“I’m not a racist but…”
I hear this so often. Does any racist ever come out and say they are a racist?
I don’t think so.

Maybe education could help you to understand that deprived communities are genuinely more likely to be negatively affected by immigration than wealthy ones. They are more likely to have high levels of immigrants who cannot speak English moved into them, this means high numbers of children who cannot speak English in schools, affecting the ability of the teachers to teach ( in schools already more challenged due to the demographics of the area). This was the experience of my middle class polish neighbour when she went to work in a school in a deprived area. Her assessment? The teachers can't teach due to all the Polish kids who cannot speak English.

They are also more likely to be affected by competition for scarce resources like housing, particularly social housing, when immigrants move into the area.

They are more likely to be affected by immigrants undercutting wages by being prepared to work for less.

In wealthy areas, the immigrants are middle class fluent English speakers, with professional jobs.. The only affect from new immigrants is the opening of more ethnic delis and restaurants. And a satisfied sense of how inclusive you are by accepting your new immigrant neighbours.

Lets not pretend that poorer communities in Britain have the same experience of immigrants moving into the area as middle class areas do.

Perhaps if you were better educated you would be able to understand that poor people are disproportionately affected (atm) by immigration. You seem to think that their views are mistaken bigoted beliefs rather than actual experiences. Interestingly enough, these experiences are now seeping into more middle class areas, the difference being is that those people can sell up and move away from the problems.

We lived in a fairly affluent area, my son came home from school to say no one was speaking English in one of his classes. PE classes were being changed because kids hadn’t got the energy in Ramadan, shops were changing, pubs were closing, it was getting more violent. We moved, we could afford to. I know many who couldn’t, they are stuck in an awful, dangerous area where white people are being pushed out, make no mistake, it’s been happening over several years now. So it’s not a perspective, it’s not a mistake. It’s happening. The only difference having a good job makes is being potentially able to move away. It’s called the white flight. Do you find it concerning white people are effectively being forced to up sticks and move away?

I'll put my head above too and say I don't believe immigration is the problem. There are good and bad people of all races / nationalities. I believe its wealth inequality that is the root of the problem.

An interesting post that suggests to even question levels of racism in a country is in itself racist as it is viewed as minimisation or denial.

So you wanted objective evidence:
A Sept 2025 survey showed that 37% of people in the UK believed that there is a great deal of racism in the UK, rising to 48% of 18-27 year olds.

Whereas the World Population Review of ranking of racist countries places the UK 16th out of a 100 (by comparison Denmark is 1st and China is 75th).

So the perception that the UK is a racist country is at odds with the evidence of its ranking of racism by country.

Do you deem pointing this out to be racist?

I think that shows a lack of understanding of the wide array of issues immigration can cause. I’m well off, highly educated but can see massive issues with immigration. The more different the cultures, the more problems it causes. For societies to function well, there is a need for common understanding of how the world works, of norms, values and aims. They need shared stories, myths. Different cultures vary in this regard. Having varying cultures living in close proximity fragments society. The more differences the more fragmented. Multiculturalism is a failed experiment, a failed experiment that has and continue to have severe adverse consequences for society.

Firstly I completely agree with you that there are good and bad people of all races, sexes, ages and whatever background. As I stated where the additional people come from and even whether it is from migration or increased birth rate is irrelevant. What is relevant is the numbers of people and whether they are net beneficiaries or net contributors.

My point is that if you have 122 people using infrastructure and services that was designed for 100 people then stuff isn't going to work as well. If you increase the population by 22% then there will be more impact on the environment. If you have 22% more people that are net beneficiaries of Government spending and taxation then you are economically poorer.

I see that the OP posted and ran. Sigh.

How did they measure that in the World Population review? I must admit I find that hard to believe. I know that there is casual racism in some EU countries that you simply do not get here. I also find it hard to believe that Denmark is the most racist country in the world ( assuming 1st is the most racist which you seem to imply it is, if you are saying we are very racist at 16th). And Denmark being most racist when China is only 75th when China literally has concentration camps that they have herded Uighar muslims into, sounds definitely suspect as to how valid the racism measures were in that review.

My understanding is that Britain has the highest proportion of mixed heritage people in the world, which does not seem to be in congruence with British people generally being wildly racist.

Yes but you’ll also have more tax revenue, and more skill capacity, and less strain on population figures. All western countries are wanting more people born not fewer, including the right-especially the right. The only reason for the racism is to set people against each other, so they ignore the people storing up all the money.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of the stats by ethnicity.

E.g. 37% of people in the UK believe that there is a great deal of racism. But what percentage of white people believe that vs what percentage of black or brown people?

Its also not an objective measure of racism. Its a measure of perception, but without knowing what that perception is based on - personal experience of racism, or reading/ watching material on racism, or something else - we can't say how far it reflects actual incidents of racism. Perceptions that there is a great deal of racism may, for example, increase after something like the George Lloyd murder, even though that is a USA issue. It may have made people in the UK think and feel that there is more racism, even though actually incidents of racism have not increased in the UK.

Its a useful measure to build a picture of the UK and racism, and its useful to track that measure over time ( or countries) but its not an objective measure or actual racism as such, but a subjective perception.

Yes, I couldn't agree more! 💯

Firstly, "Actual racism is less prevalent than assumed" is not a question, is it? Its an opinion stated as though it were fact. So serves as a poor example to prove your point.
Secondly I don't think the study you cited is particularly helpful, because there's no definition of what constitutes 'a great deal' of racism.
For example, I consider surveys findings amongst people from minority ethnic backgrounds that 70% have experienced racism, 33% have been victims of racially motivated assault and 75% of WOC have been discriminated against at work as indicative of 'a great deal' of racism. You may not.

Sorry I didn't explain the stats very clearly- 1st is least racist and 100th is most racist.

Here is the link to the survey which shows the methodology which it freely admits is difficult to measure.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/least-racist-countries

You are absolutely right that the percentage of white people stating that there is "a great deal of racism" in the Uk is much lower than say black or brown people. The survey showed that 9 out of 10 black people believe that there is a great deal of racism in the UK.

As far as I am aware, the Ukraine refugee scheme only offered temporary sanctuary on time-limited visas, with the expectation that most refugees would return home when safe to do so - or at least that was how the scheme was presented to the British public.

Ukrainians needed a sponsor based in the UK, proof of ID/passport/biometric data and the majority of refugees were women and children, elderly men and families. The time-limited visas were not designed to offer permanent residence in the UK and time spent under the scheme does not count towards indefinite leave to remain. I think I remember reading last year that over 90,000 Ukrainians had already left the UK.

Is that the sort of scheme you would like to offer other refugees and asylum seekers across the board, i.e. proof of ID required, sponsorship and temporary sanctuary? Do you think Syrian refugees, for example, should return to Syria in due course?

Not forgetting most were women and children as the men of fighting age actually generally stayed

i do think asylum should be temporary and reviewed. Eg is someone claimed asylum claiming they were gay, then later had relationships with opposite sex people they should be deported as the basis on which they claimed asylum is no longer relevant etc

So what the research really tells us is that white people tend to be blissfully unaware of racism or that black people are imagining it.

I know which of those options I think is most likely!

I don't know. Possibly. I really just want whoever wants to live here to be able to, as long as there are enough public services to support the extra people. Same as if I wanted to live in another country.

I think they should work and not be able to get benefits until they've paid a certain amount of NI etc. and obviously I think ideally they shouldn't let in people convicted of certain crimes.

The problem with that is, if we take asylum at its purest intent, its aim is to protect the vulnerable, not gather people into the country who are going to be useful.
Not to say people who come here seeking asylum are not going to be useful, many start new lives and make valuable contributions. However, depending on what they're fleeing, you will have people who are victims of violence and torture, women who have been raped, seen their children die, people who have disabilities, trauma and other MH problems due to their history. Realistically it may be a long time, if ever, before they are able to work and they will need a lot of services along the way.
A blanket work requirement would exclude these people, who arguably need asylum the most. Which some people might say, well, that's a shame, but not our problem. Which is a different line on immigration altogether, as if we're only going to admit the robust, healthy, work ready, useful people, that's not offering asylum, it's something completely different.
And people don't like that either, because they claim to be frightened of 'fighting fit' young men.

Spot on.

My only concern about illegal immigrants is that their illegal status makes them more likely to be exploited.

I do think cultural difference is often more divisive than skin colour.

It wasn't "cultural difference" that got my friend of Indian heritage beaten up a few years ago. He's from the third generation of his family that is UK born and educated and more steeped in British culture than I am.

I'm pretty sure that he was attacked for having brown skin, as evidenced by the fact that the scum who broke a couple of his ribs and kicked him in the face called him a "fucking P-word" and to "fuck off home".

Something else I've noticed, is that people can be very quick to believe or assume other people are saying they're racist, even when they've said no such thing.
On many threads I've made a comment and been turned on by posters saying "You 'lefties' think that everyone who doesn't agree with you are racists" and so forth, when there has been nothing in what I've actually written to suggest any such thing.

Yet still people read a left leaning or anti racism comment and reframe it as personal attack. Which they then use to prop up their argument that 'lefties' are going round accusing people of racism all the time.
Point being, if people want a 'discussion' there's responsibility on both sides to leave bias at the door and focus on what other people are actually saying rather than write their words for them based on stereotypes and dislike of 'the left'.

That would be none then, really, or very few. The numbers coming into the country have put a strain on housing, water, sewage, transport, waste collection, health service, schools, the welfare bill and our natural environment.

You wouldn't be able to go and settle in Australia unless you had specific skills that they needed.

Yeah, some very good points there. It is really difficult.