To think that no racist ever admits they are a racist

[Sweetiedarling7]

“I’m not a racist but…”
I hear this so often. Does any racist ever come out and say they are a racist?
I don’t think so.

But how do you know who is a 'fucking illegal immigrant'. Just because they're brown and male and live in a hotel. Most of those people are asylum seekers. Nothing illegal about it.

And if a vegan says to a Pakistani Muslim anyone eating halal meat is complicit in animal torture and should be banned and punishable by imprisonment is that racist or islamaphobic?

Undocumented asylum seekers shouldn’t be wondering round freely either though, Britain is an asylum target area. The asylum system needs looking at, being an asylum seeker should give you free rein to just decide what country you’d like u to live in. It’s creating problems in our own country. Men of fighting age should be sorting out issues in their own country, it took generations of people over hundreds of years to sort out similar problems in Europe to the ones they’re fleeing - unless people do the same in those countries nothing will change and we can’t keep taking in more and more people.

You are being incredibly disingenuous.

The overwhelming majority of Ukrainian refugees were women and children; the overwhelming majority of immigrants arriving by boat and other means from Calais are men. Men who, whether you like it or not, do go on to commit violent and sexual crimes against women and children.

It is not in any way comparable.

The refugees from Ukraine were welcomed into people’s homes purely because they were women and children; not because they were white. Do you think it would be reasonable (or indeed safe) for the young, most likely damaged, men arriving by boat, with zero identification, to be welcomed into people’s homes? Would you take in one of these men?

It is really odd for you to frame people offering up their homes to white women and children and not back and brown men, as being about racism, rather than risk.

Am I really having to explain to (who I presume to be another women) that men pose a far greater risk to women than women and children do? Is this for real?

I am genuinely curious as to what you consider is comparable in these situations?

Everyone is in a box now days, some boxes it’s fine to kick, others you can’t even look at. It’s the church of Wokism - just as hypocritical and mindlessly followed by those who can’t think for themselves as any religion

So if it's men that are a problem and a threat in general what difference does it make what country they are from? And plenty of asylum seekers are women and children.

People who are always going on about 'illegal immigrants' should be saying 'male immigrants' if that's the thing that makes them so unpalatable.

I'm sorry to say i've heard sooooo many comments like that over the years, here's a few examples;
"There's so many brown people on the bus these days"
"My neighbour is black, but she doesn't have a chip on her shoulder and her house is clean"
"My team scored last night, i woudn't mind but it was one of the black players again, i wish they'd give the others a chance"
"She's a muslim, so she probably has to walk behind her husband"
"They're african so they're probably more used to death than we are"

The list goes on.. and all said by people born before the 50s. It's just a fact that people used to talk like that back then, none of them were trying to be offensive, there was just no awareness of the prejudice in their statements because it was normal to them. There are PLENTY of racists in the generations since, they're just unlikely to come out with statements like that in such an un-selfaware way.

What?
I have not said that undocumented people should be welcomed.
I have said that asylum seekers should have the opportunity to seek asylum and if they are accepted, they should be welcomed. Nowhere in society would need to lose out as they would work here and earn their livings.

In the spirit of the thread - do you think that what you have said is racist?

I think a lot of people dont think that they are! They have a fixed idea about what constitutes racism (or any other prejudice) and think that their view doesn't fit into that, or they 'have a black friend', therefore they are not racist.

So if it's men that are a problem and a threat in general what difference does it make what country they are from?

Are you trying to do the whole “British men are just as much of a threat to women and children, so what difference does a stream of even more men who pose a threat to women and children being allowed into the country make”? Is that your logic?

You think British women and children are fair game to be victims of crime committed by illegal immigrant men, just because British men pose a similar risk? We can at least assess and try to minimise the risk posed by British men to women and children as we know their identities, prior convictions, we can request details of prior convictions to be made available to us under specific laws, we have the Sex Offenders Register, DBS checks etc. We can place limitations on what these men can and cannot do.

We have none of this for the men coming into the country on small boats.

Do you understand the difference and the increased risk that poses to women and children? I imagine you do. You just don’t care, then. Is that it?

The data from small boat crossings is as follows:

Adult men - 75% - 76%
Women - 7% - 12%
Children - 12% - 16%

And the figure for children isn’t even accurate and in reality is much lower, due to the number of adult men presenting themselves to authorities as children.

People who are always going on about 'illegal immigrants' should be saying 'male immigrants' if that's the thing that makes them so unpalatable.

Why, though. Given that the overwhelming number of illegal immigrants coming to the UK via Calais are male, I’m not sure people do have to be this specific.

In all the threads I’ve read on this subject, all the debates I’ve listened to, I’ve never read or heard one person take issue with asylum seekers who are women and children (actual children, not men pretending to be children). Not one.

It is disgraceful to try and brush off these concerns as racism.

This is so true. Having grown up in the 80s & 90s i've gone through so many generations of awareness of various prejudices around race and sexuality, etc. It's a constant evolution, but some people just don't wish to change. They grew up calling the corner shop the "P" shop, it's "not meant in a bad way" so they don't like being told it's no longer acceptable.

One question. Is it racist to believe that it's shameful that mosques have a main entrance for men and a sister's entrance (in my observation) round the back for women? Is it racist to think that women being expected to cover everything except their eyes in public should be discouraged?

No it doesn't make me reflect on my words. It makes me assume the person I'm talking to is bonkers.

"I don't know why you think being a lefty voting, liberal remainer type might make you immune from racism? "

I'm sure it doesn't, but you might expect it to make you immune to being a Nazi or fascist.

You hold this thought process in relation to slavery and genocide?

Calling racism a normal life interaction is wild.

If you are genuinely left wing and liberal, then you won't find yourself expressing opinions that others might describe as far right. If you are being told by other people that you do sound like you have far right views, then perhaps you aren't quite as liberal and left leaning as you think you are.

You clearly aren't the type that is prone to reflect on your own words and how they might come across, so I am well aware that you won't take this on board.

I know a number of left leaning people who have serious concerns about immigration and/or integration. They manage to express those concerns without sounding remotely racist or right wing. So it is possible. But if things are said in a racist manner, then people will inevitably draw their own conclusions from that.

"If you are genuinely left wing and liberal, then you won't find yourself expressing opinions that others might describe as far right."

In that case I assert you are a committed far right racist, and hope you will go and reconsider your abhorrent views before returning to apologise.

You see it does happen.

I'm sure you think you're being very clever here, but it isn't really working for you.

If you had said that you had been accused of racist or far right views, and that you had gone away and really reflected deeply on why someone might accuse you of that, and that after much soul-searching and research, you still didn't believe that this was the case, then I might have some sympathy with your position. But you have made it clear that you never take the time to reflect, you just write the other person off as bonkers without actually bothering to engage with why they might have found your comments racist or whatever.

That tells me everything I need to know about you. There is no open-mindedness or humility. No willingness to reflect and learn. No interest in understanding.

Did you go away and reflect, or did you dismiss my accusation as inaccurate?

I think a lot of them dont think they are racist because they think racism is about yelling abuse and beating people up
Their everyday racism doesnt feel to them like racism and they get very angry when you point out examples of their bigotry.

Or alternatively, people get bored of everything they say that doesn’t accord with the doctrine of the church of woke being seen as bigotry, no matter how much sense it makes, That boredom turns to anger when the useful idiots try and use whatever ism as a magical word to shut down much needed debate

Well that’s good. Sometimes I do think am I being racist? So if I think that it means I’m not? That’s reassuring 😅

Usually such deep reflection reveals that the person accusing someone of some ism is some brain washed useful idiot living in their little ivory tower.

I often wonder whether the useful idiots stop to deeply reflect on why they feel so compelled to use magical words to cut down reasonable needed debate and to consider that others might be differently affected by some of the issues they are shouting down

Your accusation was very clearly not made in good faith. It was evident that even you did not actually consider that I had said something racist or far right. So no, I didn't reflect on it.

If I had believed for a moment that you had actually meant what you said, then obviously, I would have reflected on your comments. Because I would actually care enough to want to understand and learn.

Anyway I understand from your posts that you aren't interested in other people's perspectives and that you are so convinced of your own rightness that you don't ever feel that it's necessary to consider whether you might need to reflect or learn - if someone criticises your views, then you dismiss them as bonkers without a second thought. So there is probably little point in us continuing the conversation. I have my views and you have yours.

No, I'm good with my interpretation thanks.

How many young men in the UK had even HEARD of Critical Race Theory, at least until the Trumpsters and their British fanboys started bandying the phrase around?