To think that no racist ever admits they are a racist

[Sweetiedarling7]

“I’m not a racist but…”
I hear this so often. Does any racist ever come out and say they are a racist?
I don’t think so.

Yes, it's subconscious racism. They hold prejudicial assumptions about people of other ethnicities that they don't realise they hold/don't realise are prejudiced?

Once they are made aware of them it's their responsibility to reflect on that and learn from it.

Or, if you mean someone using a term they didn't realise could cause offence, something like that, then that doesn't in itself make them a racist, no, but how they respond to being told it was offensive might.

As long as they apologise and show curiosity as to what less offensive term they could use, I would say they weren't racist, just misinformed.

It's interesting that so many racists people who are concerned about immigration, struggle with basic English.

I think you need to adapt your thinking to where we are in 2026. Being racist, openly, outwardly and proud of it, is increasing at enormous rates in younger generations of men. And the reason for it, is because they spent their lives being told they were racist, so they ultimately decided to embrace it.

Look at groups like the Groypers, Andrew Tate's followers, even the more extreme end of Looksmaxxers. It's going to become a serious issue in the near future if people don't stop actually castigating everyone who raises genuine issues, as racists. In fact there's a very real chance that it's already too late to stop the momentum these types of movements have.

The thing is, as a society we can have a narrow definition of racism, where there is a high bar for justifying accusations of racism, and it maintains social stigma and people strongly wish to avoid being called racist for any reason, OR we can have a wider definition that encompasses more attitudes and behaviours, and where we publicly accuse people of racism on a hunch, but then you inevitably erode remaining social stigma, and people treat being called racist it as a big joke.

I prefer the former but I think the horse may have bolted on that.

Yes, exactly. It matters not one jot that someone says they're not racist. If a person of another race feels discrimination by their words or actions then they are. The racist doesn't get to choose.

Being racist, openly, outwardly and proud of it, is increasing at enormous rates in younger generations of men. And the reason for it, is because they spent their lives being told they were racist,

It feels like we've skipped a few steps here. Why, exactly, were they spending their lives being told they were racist?

The problem is, I've never met someone with a problem with immigration who also openly distanced themselves from the likes of Tommy Robinson/Nigel Farage etc, and who only ever spoke about immigration concerns from a factually correct and researched angle, someone who would openly pull others up on racist views. I know they must be out there, which is why I dont antagonise people and enquire about what sources they are using for their data and opinion, and I hope to meet one someday, but I can see why people shout racist, because so many of them are...

Illegal immigration like overstaying a visa or not obtaining one for their stay in the UK? I don't know anyone who isn't in support of these individuals being removed. Asylum seekers and refugees are not here illegally though. Are you sure it is illegal behaviour you are objecting to?

The thing is, as a society we can have a narrow definition of racism, where there is a high bar for justifying accusations of racism, and it maintains social stigma and people strongly wish to avoid being called racist for any reason

The upshot of that is that black and brown people are expected to put with things that white people aren't because they don't meet the "high bar" you have described.
Who do you think should decide where the bar is?

Critcal Race Theory hasn't helped.

The most unconscious ism has to be agism. It’s ubiquitous and so toxic to humanity as a whole, and very rarely called out.

What the hell does this bloody word even mean. I don't think anyone knows. It's banded about so much now.

I saw a Facebook post where a man was moaning his post hadn't been added in a group. He started spouting off rudely and telling the moderator she was racist. I would have banned him for his unreasonable and rude behavior.

Turns out she had just forgotten to add it, not racist at all. The word can get in the bin as far as I'm concerned.

DD was campaigning doing door knocking around Stoke, plenty of folk were openly racist and said that is why they were voting for Farage’ crew.

DD said it was very shocking how proud they were of being racist.

Now see there's your problem. Most young men don't rate Farage or Robinson one little bit. Older people have their knickers in a massive twist about those two, whereas to the men who I'm talking about consider them both to be nothing but establishment containment who don't come even remotely close to promising what they want.

In the UK, Steve Laws presents something much closer to what is being looked for and he's just a start. Full remigration is being increasingly called for, with literally the only type of acceptable immigrant being those of Irish extraction. What people in their Millenial and older bubbles really don't get is that the "containment" is only working on them. They are worried about the likes of Farage, angry young men think of him as nothing more than a deeply inadequate start.

And threads like this, started as and loaded with, virtue signalling are a huge part of the problem. We've had literal mockery of the grammar of posters who dare point out that these people have actually got some valid concerns. The damage that attitude has wreaked is monumental and it's very close to being too late to stop what has always happened throughout history when we've come to the type of juncture we're at now. Tbh, I increasingly suspect we've more likely passed that point already.

Too not to.
You're not your.
I Disagree that there's something wrong not to be concerned about immigration.
I Agree that it's not racist to be concerned about immigration.

What is Critcal Race Theory? Do you mean Critical Race Theory?

Can you give me an example of a text in critical race theory that you have read from start to finish and find unreasonable? Can you point me to specific passages to explain what you have in mind, with page references?

I'm not really familiar with what you have in mind, because, despite the fact that I work in a university (supposedly ground zero for 'wokeness') I have not read or been required to read any texts in critical race theory, consequently it has not really had any impact on my life, as indeed I suspect it has not had any impact on the lives of the vast majority of citizens, despite being a popular bugbear of the right (who I strongly suspect have not read it either).

The mockery is due to their tone rather than the content.

I've got an extraneous 'to' in my third sentence there, so I guess posters can feel free to hurr, hurr, hurr, about my inadequate grasp of my first language and dismiss any other points. That'll put all the racists back in their box.

If you genuinely didn't know, then I think it depends on how you respond when someone tells you.

If your response is to feel mortified, to apologise profusely and to make real efforts afterwards to go away and properly educate yourself on the issues, then no, I wouldn't personally regard you as being racist.

If your response is to defend yourself, insist that you weren't being racist, refuse to take the feedback on board and/or just shrug it off without trying to educate yourself further on the subject, then I think that confirms that you are actually just racist.

ETA your remarks would still be racist whether you intended them to be or not. But whether those racist remarks would make you a fundamentally racist person would depend on your response imo.

Obviously, there would be certain comments which you simply wouldn't ever make if you weren't fundamentally racist, and ignorance would be no defence. But I think it would be possible for a person who isn't racist to use a racist term without necessarily realising the racist history or connotations of the term. In such circumstances, my judgment would depend very much on their response when they were made aware.

Yes. It doesn’t have to be intentional. If you do it through ignorance and have it pointed out to you, a decent person who is concerned with not being racist would reflect and learn from it. Many people though just get defensive and continue to be racist.

Honest question. You don't care about men who come from a country were child sexual abuse is legal, domestic violence is legal and they think girls reach marriage age when they start their periods? Also were they are homophobic etc because of their culture or religion? Or that they have the right to kill their wives if they are going to leave them? Do you think these men should be able to work any job on arrival?
I know people who are happy to say they are breaking the equality act by holding opinions on religion. I know men, of all colours, who are racist.

Yes, here we go.

Increasingly some people are quick to tell others that the word racism has lost its meaning because racism is normalised now.

In the past I have said racist things. I've been pulled up on it. I didn't think I was being racist because I didn't feel hate or even discrimination in my heart. But it turned out that nonetheless I WAS bring racist because the person on the other end of my ignorance experienced it as racism. So I've come to believe that I was being a racist after all. Ignorance, being part of a world that includes structural racism, has led to my being racist.
I hope I'm not anymore.

This is how I've come to feel about it.

So we can pick and choose when it’s acceptable to be racist?

No it isn't. Your mockery is from a sense of superiority. Your previous post to this is just a list of grammatical corrections. You are belittling a poster for being less able to express themselves through written communication. It's nasty bullying that allows you to justify your refusal to engage with their points.

What do you think happens when the poster you mocked reads your response? Do you think they retreat with their tail between their legs, realising that your superior understanding of grammar also gives you a superior political opinion? Or do you think that it's more likely that they get pissed off and decide that dialogue is impossible?

Because it's only ever gone the latter route through the entirety of human history.