Polanski is a buffoon

[Bertiebiscuit]

How anyone can take the Green party leader Zac Polanski seriously is completely beyond me. He has zero grasp of economics, beyond conning women out of ££££s by pretending he could hypnotise them to increase their bust measurements. He is the worst representative of gay men who worship the men pretending to be women, with no regard for womens and girls' right to privacy, dignity and safety. The man is a 24 carat buffoon.

I'd take Polanksi over Starmer and the cons any day. At least he has a shred of empathy.

And Farage of course (who is a racist imbecile)

Suicidal empathy, yes

It’s easy to be empathetic when you have a magic money tree. He believes in MMT, so he thinks he can cancel student debt, pay the WASPI women, give loads of handouts to disabled and less well off, and it’s all such a load of nonsense. The grown ups in charge have to make real decisions with real money and real consequences. He’s an idiot.

who is your favourite grown-up?

I don't think he is, TBH. He knows what he's doing.

I wonder just how much common sense there is in his followers though. I don't understand how they think all this will be financed and just how green his other policies are.

Wind farms and solar panels are not the silver bullet they believe them to be.
And I'm pretty sure that Putin seems quite immune to being persuaded/hypnotised into giving up his nuclear weapons.

And open borders mean that every square inch needs to be built over. How green is that?

I am the traditional floating vote. I was hopeful that Keir Starmer would be a grown up anc address the booming benefits bill to protect public spending in other areas by ending the triple lock and reigning in PIP / DLA and do things like merge income tax and NICs, simplify tax, get rid of crazy marginal rate bands and encourage people to earn more and boost growth. I’ve been disappointed. He’s been spineless on all of the above points and the country’s finances continue to get worse.

I really don’t trust Bridget Phillipson with the ECHR guidance. What’s taking so long with the publication? It’s not complicated stuff. Get on with it!

I can definitely tell you that Starmer is “mentioned in the Epstein files”, because I’ve read at least one email where he gets a mention. Search his name. It’s disingenuous to imply that Farage is implicated, I’m sure that would be more convenient for everyone, but it’s fake news.

You are obviously entitled to your opinion but are you suggesting that because you personally haven’t experienced an issue, that it isn’t an issue that is causing harm and detriment to others?

What about the threads on this very forum who detail how a father in Brighton is facing to take legal action against his daughter’s school as they are making girls use a changing room with a boy present? And his MP (Green I think) has refused to get involved?

Or the girls physically harmed in schools because the school installed mixed sex toilets to attempt to satisfy the demanding the trans lobby? Or the women variously sexually assaulted/raped/intimidated or gawped at by men in female only wards? Or the female prisoners being sexually harassed by male murderers in prisons?

I guess it can be hard to think that those things are happening and it is just pure luck that you haven’t seen it first hand. Very tempting to pretend it’s not happening or if it is happening, it’s not really affecting anyone.

Transwomen ARE men
And commit sex crimes at the same rate as men who don’t identify as women

Oh to be so naive

So you think this doesn’t happen, is that right?

does he?
This week he celebrated a man getting away with breaking a woman’s back

I’m not pretending it’s not happening, the people complaining about it here are giving anecdotal examples ie linking to the mumsnet post from one user about the trans kid on the school trip, rather than giving statistics or data that demonstrates it’s a widespread problem, so it’s consistent that I give an anecdotal experience from my own life. I have teenagers, of each gender, and feeling threatened by a male identifying as a female has never come up as an issue for them or any of their friends.

All the examples you gave in your post were individual accounts and experiences too, nothing to show the extent of the issue across our society. I just did a quick google search and it said that assaults in schools by trans people or males identifying as female are thought to be rare. It also said the data shows they are more likely to be the victim of violence rather than the perpetrators.

Again, I’m not saying that people haven’t been harmed or that it’s not an issue, just that I think there are issues that threaten and actively harm women much, much more, that the Greens are addressing.

Anyway it feels like this argument has become circular with these same points being made by pp repeatedly, so I’ll leave it there I think.

I was undecided but this thread has made me more likely to vote Green as the counter arguments seem quite tenuous and in some cases disingenuous.

No empathy for women who don’t toe his very extreme ideological line. His party excommunicates them at vast expense.

Maybe you are unaware of the refusal by the authorities to gather any data on this? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

We know that the police, courts, hospital staff, teachers, government and BBC/media are lying about this. They misrecord boys or men as girls or women.

So obviously it is your choice to support the Greens despite them pushing an ideology that actively harms women and girls but don’t do it because you gave dismissed the scale of the problem as ‘anecdotal’.

As an example of the institutional lies, Prof Alice Sullivan found that there are something like 650 rapists recorded as female. That is 650 women and girls forced to refer to their rapist as ‘she’ in court.

In the U.K. you need a penis to be convicted of rape (barring the one or two cases where a woman has been such an accessory to rape, she’s convicted too but it’s vanishingly rare).

Really, you think the side screaming “Farage schills” and accusing us of being the “extreme right” and destroying liberal democracies because we want single sex is spaces is the least disingenuous position on this thread?!?!😂😂

I guess that’s just the poster’s bias speaking. As for disingenuous, I’ve already called them out for misrepresenting Farage’s status in the Epstein files, not that I care about his reputation, but I like people either deliberately or carelessly spreading misinformation even less.

I didn’t say there were any sexual assaults allegations against Farage. Obviously there aren’t because if there were, this would be front page news. There are plenty against Trump though, a man who he openly supports and who’s fascist politics he seems to be modelling his own campaign on.

Also the files show that ‘Epstein celebrated the 2016 Brexit referendum result in a conversation with tech billionaire Peter Thiel’ a cause that Farage obviously championed, so it’s fair to say there is a clear affinity between them all.

As for Starmer, who I don’t particularly care for and am not defending, there are no sexual assault allegations against him, ‘mentions’ aren’t that significant because it just means those people were talking about you, which is expected if you’re a world leader. There is the rightly widely reported issue with Mandleson and that’s about it.

Of course you didn’t say because you were being disingenuous. The fact that Farage is “mentioned in the Epstein files” is meant to suggest that he’s implicated in the sexual abuse, we all know that. He isn’t. It’s fake news.

Yes, it was actually my point that Starmer is mentioned and it’s as significant as Farage being. You were the one being disingenuous, not me.

And it’s quite clear you feel justified in insinuating that Farage is mixed up in the sexual abuse, because why mention it otherwise? It’s not relevant that he’s “mentioned”.

Well if we’re talking about tenuous and disingenuous then this is a prime example.

Also the files show that 'Epstein celebrated the 2016 Brexit referendum result in a conversation with tech billionaire Peter Thiel' a cause that Farage obviously championed, so it's fair to say there is a clear affinity between them all.

BTW Starmer is accused of stuff in the email I read from a victim, not sexual assault but deleting files from her computer. Whether she is paranoid (quite possibly she is severely traumatised by her experiences) or there is something to it, who knows. But it’s in her email.

What 'shred of empathy' does Polanski exhibit please?

Ok, as I said I’m not a particular fan of Starmer and am not here to defend him.

You’re very defensive of Nigel Farage. I actually didn’t even mention him. I’m going to leave you to your straw man argument now as I don’t have all day to go back and forth on mumsnet as you seem to.