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Epstein files

357 replies

Shhhhitsmagic · 06/02/2026 12:54

I've had too much time on my hands this week due to illness and I've gone down a rabbit hole with the epstein files.
Is anyone else struggling after reading this vile stuff?
I'm absolutely reeling and feel physically sick to my core. The world I thought we lived in doesn't exist (and probably never did in my lifetime).
It appears that not one single man involved will be held accountable. They are all being protected and the whole thing is being brushed under the carpet.
Why is this barely being reported on? Where are the protests? Are we being desensitised to this evil?
Can anyone help me make sense of this? 😢

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peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:04

SomeEsotericJoke · 06/02/2026 20:26

This has been on my mind for days now, I am so horrified by what is coming out, but sadly not surprised. There is no trust in society, it is everywhere.

Apparently the Wayfair 'conspiracy' has truth to it, the one about very expensive items of furniture being sold, very expensive furniture with human names. All the conspiracies are proving to be true. It's insidious.

There is an invoice for same in the Epstein files.

GoldenPearls · 06/02/2026 21:05

RainbowZebraWarrior · 06/02/2026 13:25

Yep. Look at how many men were complicit in the abuse against Gisèle Pelicot, and similar cases. Thousands. So many men are truly vile and disgusting. So many of them will do exactly as they please. Especially if they think they can get away with it. So many other men just turn a blind eye.

yes. The so called christian nationalists - the US ones, who voted Trump and constantly post how proud they are for having freedom of having guns, are completely quiet. Where are these big men with their big guns and why they are not up in arms and dealing with their bastardic country

MidWayThruJanuary · 06/02/2026 21:06

The Wayfair ‘conspiracy’ is a load of absolute bollocks and totally diminishes the anguish of children who did disappear and were trafficked.

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:06

MidWayThruJanuary · 06/02/2026 21:06

The Wayfair ‘conspiracy’ is a load of absolute bollocks and totally diminishes the anguish of children who did disappear and were trafficked.

What’s your evidence for that?

Newnamehiwhodis · 06/02/2026 21:07

It’s been making me absolutely sick. Oh, it is being reported on. Someone even made a searchable database that’s being circulated - this has come down to the people demanding justice, because apparently the government are just too damn scared, or complicit.
there are brave people like heather cox Richardson or Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, but they’re playing by the rules while these evil perpetrators never did.

I am going to celebrate when the inevitable happens to the worst of the worst, DJT.

i think for our health maybe it’s better not to read these things. If you can … don’t let these evil men take away any of YOUR life. They should not be able to harm your peace. Take care of yourself, OP, and trust that justice will be done. I belief it will, even if it has to be at the hands of ordinary people.

GoldenPearls · 06/02/2026 21:08

LBFseBrom · 06/02/2026 13:27

Only one person in prison and that's a woman doing a 20 year sentence, carrying the can.

I haven't been following closely, we already knew he was on 'friendly' terms with a myriad of people in high places.

I dislike the way the press are highlighting some individuals and hyperbolising.

It's all quite unhealthy, try not to be obsessed, it will do you no good at all.

exactly...I have been following today and it is sickening in an obsessive way. But don't. Pray for the victims

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:08

There are so many hugely incriminating emails where the co-correspondent (often the sender) name is redacted. Why?? These are predators, not victims. Why is it covered up?

InterestedDad37 · 06/02/2026 21:09

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 20:57

You clearly haven’t read the files

No I haven't, there's 3 frickin million pages.
All I'm commenting on is that someone claimed the Epstein files are being ignored in news reports. They aren't. The news has been full of the Epstein files!
I'm not defending anyone or anything. I'm disgusted by everything I've heard about them. On the news. Where they're being reported on.

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:09

GoldenPearls · 06/02/2026 21:08

exactly...I have been following today and it is sickening in an obsessive way. But don't. Pray for the victims

Praying for victims is pointless is this stuff isn’t discussed and brought to light, and people prosecuted (or at least disempowered in the eyes of the world if we can’t hope for prosecution)

SulkySeagull · 06/02/2026 21:10

yes the ‘Tin Foil Hat’ brigade are right again! What I can’t understand is why the likes of Bill Gates/Trump/Musk aren’t all being arrested. Why are the general public being subjected to witnessing this absolute horror show but the men who committed the crimes just going about their day to day lives.

GoldenPearls · 06/02/2026 21:10

Toomanysofttoys · 06/02/2026 13:50

Mumsnet party! news on all day and we dance on the hour every hour.

and you are a man ??

SulkySeagull · 06/02/2026 21:11

Also, the files show photos of injured children - now I’m beginning to wonder if the cannibalism and satanic rituals conspiracies are also correct

1Messycoo · 06/02/2026 21:12

I personally think this is the tip of the iceberg !
so many more famous/prominent men and organisations will start to feel
the pressure for their sad perverse lives. These men have been protected by money,peers for all eternity and the clubs they belong too !
I read back in the 1990’s Andrea Dworkins, life and death ! As a feminist she was decades ahead of the curve. Dworkins very clearly said back then that all men are protected by men !
Her work was blasted and was swept under the carpet as “Generalisation” by the media !
I’m NOW amazed the book was actually published. Given it’s taken 28-30 years for this shit come to the surface and I’m glad as it’s going to expose so many more sick deviants that’s walk amongst us !

Appalonia · 06/02/2026 21:13

SulkySeagull · 06/02/2026 21:10

yes the ‘Tin Foil Hat’ brigade are right again! What I can’t understand is why the likes of Bill Gates/Trump/Musk aren’t all being arrested. Why are the general public being subjected to witnessing this absolute horror show but the men who committed the crimes just going about their day to day lives.

Elon Musk isn't implicated in this at all. In fact, if it wasn't for him purchasing Twitter, it's doubtful that so much detail of what's been happening would have been exposed.

SomeEsotericJoke · 06/02/2026 21:13

MidWayThruJanuary · 06/02/2026 21:06

The Wayfair ‘conspiracy’ is a load of absolute bollocks and totally diminishes the anguish of children who did disappear and were trafficked.

And you know this how? As a previous poster said, there is discussion of Wayfair and an invoice in the files.

Newnamehiwhodis · 06/02/2026 21:16

GoldenPearls · 06/02/2026 21:05

yes. The so called christian nationalists - the US ones, who voted Trump and constantly post how proud they are for having freedom of having guns, are completely quiet. Where are these big men with their big guns and why they are not up in arms and dealing with their bastardic country

They are ashamed.
the cracks are happening, and they’re having to realize they were wrong.
it’s a big shift for these brainwashed cult followers, some of whom just wanted to feel “safe” and wanted to believe they were in the right.

they’ll not be loud about being wrong, because it takes a lot more courage than they ever had.

I know a few - (or: knew in the past, rather, as I’ll have nothing to do with them) and when people were raised in this fundamentalist Christian nationalist cult, they are almost childlike in their naivety. They are so used to just parroting whatever a leader says to them… there have even been scientific studies that have found that their brains have been formed improperly, almost as if they have a parasite - so they’re more susceptible to cults and conspiracy theories after having been raised in this fundamentalist mindset.

it explains a lot of the cognitive dissonance, and the doubling down to insist that things aren’t true; these are people who can believe the world is actually flat, and was made in 7 days. 😬

so if they do realize how deeply bad their leaders are, they won’t be saying anything. Some of them are in churches and communities who still believe what Fox News tells them, so it would be hard to break away.

there’s someone named Monte Mader who is a former fundamentalist who talks about this. She’s really smart and outspoken… she managed to realize how wrong her cult was and get away, and now she is a very strong voice for justice.

Wheresrebeccabunch · 06/02/2026 21:17

Appalonia · 06/02/2026 21:13

Elon Musk isn't implicated in this at all. In fact, if it wasn't for him purchasing Twitter, it's doubtful that so much detail of what's been happening would have been exposed.

What about Elon’s email to JE begging for an invite to whichever would be the ‘wildest’ of the parties with girls ‘FTW’?

GoldenPearls · 06/02/2026 21:17

cobrapaw · 06/02/2026 17:45

I haven’t read it and I’m don’t think I want to. I keep seeing videos on Tik Tok, a woman screaming that they (Epstein and his friends) were eating children. And another audio of a terrified little girl screaming for help, are they real, is that the sort of stuff that’s in the files?

grow up and inform yourself

MidWayThruJanuary · 06/02/2026 21:17

@SomeEsotericJoke
Can you provide a link to the invoice please

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:18

Wheresrebeccabunch · 06/02/2026 19:29

Yes this. People are missing the point if they’re just focusing on the (disgusting) individuals concerned. The evidence suggests this system was being run by a very powerful state for blackmail and power purposes, a state that basically owns the media, effectively controls the US and apparently can get away with genocide.

All the people who have tried to speak out have been silenced, branded unhinged, prejudiced and ironically accused of pedophilia. The ‘conspiracy’ theorists were right, unfortunately.

As citizens we should be very concerned about Starmer’s off the record meetings with Palantir, Bill Gates and BlackRock, and his fervent desire to shut down X and get back doors into our encrypted phones. Social control to the max. I won’t mention the pedophile rings he’s systematically overlooked / refuses to investigate. He’s not the only one of course, but he is currently the one in power (and refusing to let go)

Newnamehiwhodis · 06/02/2026 21:19

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:08

There are so many hugely incriminating emails where the co-correspondent (often the sender) name is redacted. Why?? These are predators, not victims. Why is it covered up?

They are sheltering trump, that’s why. He is mentioned more often in those files than Harry Potter was mentioned in the entire Harry Potter series.
his party said they wouldn’t release the non-redacted files until he was done with his term. Which is just insane.
in some cases, they even redacted things like “don’t” - yes the word “don’t” is redacted, just in case it’s a mention of Don T.

Appalonia · 06/02/2026 21:22

I think it's SO horrific, and widespread that it's hard to take it all in. It DOES feel like a conspiracy theory, but the many, many emails are there in black and white for us all to read, even when names are redacted. It feels like there's been such a huge information dump to overwhelm us. And the lack of action or prosecutions is bewildering. I can only hope that the public outcry will force the prosecuting authorities to do something. This is not a party political issue, pp from across the political spectrum were involved. I've seen footage on Twitter from American politicians calling for action. Ok need to keep the pressure on until those responsible are held to account.

peanutbuttertoasty · 06/02/2026 21:23

It’s not hard to find… just do a search for wayfair on X

BrendaThePoodle · 06/02/2026 21:23

I used to think extreme conspiracy theories were possibly invented to make the more likely scenarios lack substance, eg, the claims they ate babies to take a shine off the more likely crime of child rape. So the abuser could argue the toss, “x is a nutcase, of course I don’t rape kids - same way I don’t eat babies 🙄” but the older i get the more I think about the lovely men I’ve met who have had CSAI on their laptops and gotten suspended sentences. The nice bus driver who raped his 4 year old daughter. The stories of “nice” men on here who have used sex workers for the last 20 years behind their wives back. Maybe if these very average men are sexually depraved peadophiles, maybe men who have more power and wealth than most people can imagine are actually so fucked up they will do more and more deplorable conspiracy theory sounding shit just because they can. Maybe it isn’t as I thought so ludicrous to discredit victims. Maybe it is actually just pure fucking evil and those people telling crazy stories are actually telling the truth

MidWayThruJanuary · 06/02/2026 21:23

Putin and Xi and Kim must be looking on in bewilderment and delight at what is unfolding in front of them.

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