Keir starmer is dead in the water

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The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

We don't know yet how many young girls were abused funded by Mandelson's leaks. Or "dropping the ball" as you would say it seems.

I think it is obvious why they brought him back. For all of his many faults - and many of them were known, even if some were not - he was a very good political strategist. They were worried about Trump and they decided to take the risk.

Clearly that was the wrong decision, but there is no reason to suppose that Mandelson had any dirt on Starmer at all. He was wanted for his political skills, which Starmer lacks. Clearly the desire to make use of those skills got in the way of good judgement.

I find it hard to believe there would be any dirt on starmer that would warrant it. He is utterly incompetent but I can't see he is an intrinsically bad man.

It's all out there as facts.

No, we don't know. And we also don't know what Starmer did or didn't know. Let's wait and see what comes out of the investment.

I think Starmer made a terrible judgement in appointing Mandelson, and if it turns out that he knew much more than he has been letting on, then he will have little option but to resign. But his behaviour is not comparable to the massacre of hundreds of people, and you know it.

Serve them up then.

That's such a bad comparison it's almost funny.
Jesus, do you always overreact this much?

Dropping the ball is an English, quaint expression, somewhat with sarcasm, when someone makes a fuck up.

Nothing at all to do with China. Try harder to have a pop?

We do know that Starmer knew that Mandelson stayed at Epstein's flat whilst he was in prison for child prostitution but still appointed him. Isn't that enough for you?

Try google. Unless... you think that Google is controlled by Labour and it's all a conspiracy?

That’s a zero from you.

Exactly a quaint expression for when someone forgets to turn off the oven or accidently misses a tax return deadline. Not the phase that many would use for leaking the news of the largest banking bailout in history to your paedophile mates so that can make a load of money insider trading.

Buy go ahead be an apologist for this behaviour. Clearly Labour can do nothing wrong for you.

Starmer has been a huge disappointment.

Michelle Mone?

That's not what has made the police investigate though, what he did was distasteful and shit and should be judged critically, but it was not illegal to stay there.
I want to know if Starmer knew about the inside trading. That is illegal. This is the biggy.

Enough for me for what?

Enough for me to say that it was a terrible decision? Absolutely, I have already said that.

Enough for me to think that Starmer's conduct has been comparable to that of a dictator who ordered his army to kill hundreds of innocent young people in Tiananmen Square? Not even close.

Attack is the oldest form of defence. Carry on love, grasping at straws. You dropped it well and truly with your comparison!

I'm pretty sure you are winding us up now. Even the Labour MPs supported the Conservative motion to get this investigated. The Prime Minister had to make further concessions mid debate of his own amendment so it wasn't voted down by his MPs.

I must have found the two people in the country who think that this sort of behaviour is acceptable.

See, there are smarter people who go out, read articles, read reports, find out facts for themselves from trustworthy places.

And there are people like you who'd rather ignore all that and carry on the way you are, several posts repeating the same utter nothingness over and over again. Ironically you say 'zero from you' when that's exactly what you've given this whole conversation.

You really do have one heck of an imagination!

Ed Miliband or Rayner

Starmer is the man who decided not to prosecute multiple child sex abuse cases or at the very least had organisational oversight of those decisions.

Sadly I think his likely in depth knowledge of those legally sensitive decisions from his time at CPS made child sex abuse normalized and a legal issue rather than moral issue with shock. It was his job to review cases objectively and unemotionally in order to decide whether to prosecute. It's also likely that in his head a case with a 17 year old girl wouldn't have been prosecuted in the UK so was willing to overlook Epstein's crimes.

I think his perception of reality is warped and he and the CPS made the wrong decisions time and time again. He isn't fit to be prime minister but I fear the next one will be more economically illiterate than this one.

Er - no I watched the debate. The anger in the chamber at the PM from both sides of the house was pretty visible.

I think Starmer will resign tomorrow.

I don't think whoever replaces him will be any better. We have a very poor crop of politicians nowadays, for a multitude of reasons.

The one thing we know for certain is that Morgan McSweeney got the PMs full backing at PMQs today so he will be out by the weekend.

I wonder if we’ll ever have a sensible government again. One that makes the majority of people happy in some way.
Putting back into services by taxing those who avoid tax, not punishing those who can’t afford to be taxed repeatedly. People are working so hard to be taxed to buggery is making people angry and deflated. Id love to see a government that finds a way to make the NHS and school system better for everyone. Instead of selling it all off. If our schools were a better standard then people wouldn’t be struggling to give their dc a private education the way we read about here. I’d love a government pride themselves on getting decent mental health services, elderly care and good services for the disabled. A government that incentivises work for those able, but doesn’t punish those not. That isn’t dragging us into wars or America’s bullshit. A government that can spend money wisely and if you get caught giving mates back handers you're actually punished. Same goes for local councils spending public funds on shit that benefits their pals, not constituents. We need to see Councils that are working to make towns and cities safer. Violence towards women and children, grooming gangs etc actually dealt with. Education for all, nobody leaving the system with no prospects. Better social services, better education on the environment, a government that puts an end to the institutional poverty trap many areas face. A government that doesn’t shy away from the hard work that needs to be done to make life better for everyone, more communities integrated, hate crimes tackled. Better services for those suffering with gender identity as opposed to pumping kids with hormones before their frontal lobe is developed. A government that appreciates you can’t please everyone but can’t either just give into demands from one side, everyone has a shit quality of life these days even those who have traditionally been relatively comfortable. Poorer areas are becoming increasingly scarier to even visit. Social services are so fucked in my local area that children living in poverty and chaos aren't considered priority sometimes until something drastic happens. A government that is worthy of our respect not just the hopelessness and indifference we feel. Ones who are honest and say “actually this is a shit show at the moment but let’s try this” and actually do what they can to make life less shit. We shouldn’t need people who work 40+ hours a week needing a full top up in UC, we need affordable housing, better wages, rent control and more schemes to get on the property ladder. We need less food wastage and the cost of our food and utilities to be capped. We also have huge issues with the homeless, over crowded prisons and the sentences that sex offenders or even child killers have received in recent years have been so pitiful it’s not remotely deterred abusers. I have looked into the argument for legalising drugs and taxing them, making them safer and allowing money going into addiction treatment however Im quite on the fence. The belief that drug dealing will go away worries me as to make money they’ll just turn to crimes such as sex trafficking. But maybe some drugs could be legalised.
We need strong feminists in power, we need to listen to economists to boost infrastructure, to listen to psychiatrists who know what will improve the world long term for people. Im sick of weak minded selfish politicians just as much as Im sick of the Tommy Robinson grifters. I want to see a huge overhaul of these corrupt and incompetent self serving bastards and have them relapsed by people from every walk of life who bring experience and passion into the lives of others, regardless of their wealth, their lack of status, their religion or race. The world is a disgusting clusterfuck of abuse of power and influence by the wrong people and if we want to change anything then people need to accept compromise, work together and try and rebuild some unity. We can fight left/right/centre but division is getting us nowhere and takes away from what working towards a level of unity could
do for everyone. Im politically homeless but would welcome anyone who seems to want to offer some bloody hope.