Keir starmer is dead in the water

[Bertiebiscuit]

The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

That picture of Mandy and JE shopping is nauseating, like watching a sugar daddy take his protegee on a shopping spree.

There was certainly something of the night about him.

Sly and shifty, like Tony Blair. Now that would have been great, for all this to take down Tony Blair.

The amount of men saying ‘I didn’t know’, ‘he lied’ waah, it’s nauseating. Fuck em get them out.

Still listening to this cringe press conference. Starmer is on the ropes. Due dillgence exercise. Mandelson had alredy been sacked twice and no one thought to think maybe there would be a third time.

I went through security vetting for a previous role. It took 6 weeks. If I had been fired TWICE from previous roles I wouldnt have got clearance.

Starmer heard what he wanted to hear during the appointment of Mandelson.
Those around him including McSweeny knew more but like a lot of powerful people thought that they would get away with it. Do they think we are stupid?

Same with Andrew MW. He thought he was untouchable and Sarah F just had her snout in the trough from the beginning.

I did actually. My point is that on here the Tories can get away with murder yet Labour seem to not.

Starmer loves to use his Human rights lawyer position when it suits him, he is a disgrace

Remember, all the while these idiots are lurching from one crisis to the next, the country is not being governed properly.

Not at all Johnson went. Starmer is digging in.

This deserves a lot more attention. I don’t think Starmer is mates with the Palentir crowd. But I do think they are much, much smarter than him, and we have all been stitched up.

This is an interesting post.

A lot of information in the public domain about this issue currently seems to be due to emails that were sent and to me the revelations that are currently driving public opinion are largely due to the extra emails that have recently been uncovered.

To me this represents something of a catch 22 situation. If the government didn't know that these emails existed then people are going to argue the vetting process was not strong enough.

If the government did know about these emails, then surely it is an admission of the level of monitoring the government undertakes on certain individuals, and the question then becomes whether this level of monitoring is appropriate.

Then of course there is all the other information that the vetting process might reveal about an individual, and the possibility that revealing this information may not only reveal further information about the issue, but also on information gathering techniques and maybe even raise greater public awareness of how the government gathers information and whether this whole process is appropriate.

So the debate to me risks spiraling into not only a question about one individual, but about how the government monitors citizens in general.

If I've got this right then it presents a significant headache for the government on how to handle it, both in terms of allowing transparency (if the government are not transparent then everyone will cry "cover up") and in drawing unwanted public attention to just what the security services are doing and the information they collect (security services generally want as little public attention as possible).

Would Starmer falling on his sword now draw public attention away from the details here ? I am not sure.

There IS no left wing in the Labour Party, seriously what are you on about? How far right in your thinking would you have to be to think that someone like Jess Phillips is left wing? Liberal yes. Social democrat probably.

Can you imagine Starmer as a barrister?

Starmer QC: 'Did you murder your wife, Dr Crippen?'

Dr Crippen: 'No.'

Starmer QC: 'Well, that's that, then.'

Starmer is in it with Palantir

Stay vigilant to Labour trying to bury some other
negative shit in this environment….

I think all of the points that you raise here are valid. The questions here are much bigger and much deeper than whether or not Starmer should remain as PM.

Gosh, yes. You'd have to be to the right of Heinrich Himmler to think that John McDonnell was on the left of the Labour Party or, indeed, that the Labour Party even has a left-wing. How silly of me.

I disagree, I made a lot of fuss about Boris and saw many others doing the same at the time.

All politicians of any stripe should have their feet held to the fire when their conduct appears less than acceptable. Doesn't matter which side they're on.

Getting into the tit for tat, 'yah-boo' of 'well Labour/Tories did/didn't do this' rather than engaging with what's going on currently isn't helpful, and just perpetuates the problem we have in our political system of routinely blaming the other side as a handy excuse for failing to get on and do.

A gentle reminder as to who your next PM
may be.

But that isn't the case? KS and the rest of us didn't know that he was still a close friend of Mandleson, until these papers came out in the past week or so. Mandleson lied to him and to us all. I don't believe KS would have been so stupid to have stuck his neck on the line for Mandleson, they weren't even particular friends.

Being PM right now is an utterly thankless job. If we get rid of KS we'll be getting rid of the the most moral, intellegent and hard working PM we've had for years.

but as we all know (danegeld) its never ever one bone.....

I think there is a small get out, in the respect that for this particular issue the individual isn't an elected official, which may justify a higher level of vetting as it would not be "seen to be interfering with the democratic process" as it would be with an elected official.

However I guess there is also some question over what period the information supplied was collected.

AIUI there is going to be some sort of committee that reviews the most sensitive information. But I wonder whether members of this committee would be forbidden from revealing it under parliamentary privilige, and also whether this will be enough to sate public accusations of "cover up".

We’ve been a laughing stock since Boris was PM. I don’t think Keir gets everything right but he’s doing okay imo. Would have preferred JC.

oh come on.......are you saying there weren't deep checks done on Mandelson? They wouldn't even have needed to be that deep.

Lol.

I don't think it would be her but the possibility is not a good one.

I think Keir Starmer should stay and basically apologise and state he made an error. But he needs to fire his special advisor and say that he appreciates that things need to move in a different direction and he was badly advised.

The question is can people forgive this mistake - I can but only if he owns up and says that yes he overlooked the disgusting truths about Mandleson because he thought he would be effective.