Keir starmer is dead in the water

[Bertiebiscuit]

The UK cannot have a prime minister who gave a plum job to a man when all the time he knew that Mandelson was still close friends with an ex-con who was convicted for trafficking children for sexual abuse. Starmer is destroying the reputation of the UK, he is an embarrassment and shoukd resign, if not the Labour party should demand his resignation.

I think maybe you need to just read up a bit on whats happening now and why. Then you will understand.

Im watching his speech. I've never seen KS do a speech before

he's on TV now.....talk about a whitewash......Mandelson lied to security and they went "oh ok then"

It’s such a juvenile defence. He lied. Starmer’s not 8

I think it’s just a matter of time now before Starmer goes, I suspect we will have a new prime minister by the summer, the question is who, and there are no good alternatives, likely who comes next will be worse, which is a very low bar indeed. And it will deteriorate further. Labour are usually out of power for at least a decade when they fuck it badly, but this is the worst I’ve witnessed, so likely longer,

the whole thing is a disaster, from the winter fuel payments to the oil and gas industry to the budgets, child benefit caps, the freebies, it’s a never ending list of constant mess,

I felt at first it was like having a bunch of work experience people run the country, now it’s not even that good.

I am listening to it now. I know Birmingham well and he is wrong that its intergrated. Big woke thing to say whilst he lives in his bubble.

He needs to go - this is not a leader talking. He is lecturing us and speaking AT us.

Twat.

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The point is corruption needs to be tackled whenever and wherever it happens.

I totally agree.

What I dont understand about Starmer sometimes, he isnt stupid obviously but is he naive? Or rather does he think we are all stupid? After first tranche of PM with JE post conviction, PM said there was more to come and it would be embarrassing. That was September 2025. At that point why didn't he think lets go to the Americans and access these files or lets use other means to see just how much more embarrassing it will get? Is there no advisor to help him? Even when news breaks out with evidence that PM was passing government info and emails on to JE (we dont know yet how serious/useful/dangerous that info was) he still dillydallies on any sort of action. Especially given PM's past! Gosh, why cant this country produce good leaders.

I think maybe you need to go read up on what happened in 2020 as well. Then you will understand.

Seems to be a misleading stat re: Farage https://pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-the-epstein-files-include-limited-mentions-of-uk-party-leaders/

Do such prime ministers exist? Indeed, do any such politicians exist?

It's arrogance combined with average intelligence and a very poor team behind him. He's vastly underestimated the British public and the power they hold. He's learning but it's far, far too late.

Id prefer to read up on the fact that someone central in government has been passing on state secrets. Why dont you start another thread about Michelle?

looks like Shabana Mahmood is a prophetess...... Shabana talking up the government to Laura Kuensberg "Well Labour governments don't come along very often"

Since when did the Labour party treat women fairly, they have always had a chronic woman problem, they will promote the worst sleazy males rather than treat women fairly

Why dont you start another thread about Michelle?

I did, yesterday.

But many people are rightly pointing out that now that Mandelson has resigned from the HoL, Mone needs to be next.

Peter told me he was a good'un and I believed him. That seems to be the whole vetting process.

The Labour party doesn't vet men, silly, it's only women who get scrutinised in the misogynist party. They can't tolerate women having any power or rights.

Ok

I agree with this. KS lacks political skills and he probably knows it. PM was known for being a skilled political operator, and that's why he was appointed. It was a bad judgement, undoubtedly, but I don't think it was because PM had any "dirt" on Starmer.

Of course she should de-lorded, as should Starmer resign. Two things can to be true at the same time.

@Bertiebiscuit I’m unsure of your political stance so can I ask what your thoughts on Reform are in this regard?

I can’t listen long as it’s excruciating but the Guardian journo just read out Labour MPs saying he should go and he did the I get they’re angry with Mandelson and the last Labour lot. How is he so blind to anger at him?

I DO NOT believe that there weren't more security checks that turned this stiuff up and I DO NOT BELIEVE that KS wasn't told the outcomes. I suppose its vaguely possible that KS was told that Mandelson could be useful because of his contacts and the circles he moved in but that KS himself should maintain "plausible deniability" On from this I reckon that the plausible deniability thing was a strategy to make him the fall guy if (when) it all went to rat shit. He could then be portrayed as a fool but not a villain.

Mandelson on has always been a wrongun. I can remember my Dad ranting about him years ago. I always had the impression he came across pervy and untrustworthy. I have never met him and have no political or legal training. However the fact our PM who has allegedly been one of the UKs top lawyers cannot sniff out a complete charlatan when the rest of the country can doesn't really say a fat lot about his judgement does it? Or it suggests he knew it all and just didn't care which is worse.