Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

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I think perhaps you are not suited to volunteer at a mental health hub, given your contempt for your clients and your disregard for their confidentiality.

Why do you
volunteer there when it is clearly winding you up?

And they are "trying to sort it out" by incentivising people reliant on benefits to have large families?

Who ‘wants to see people starve’?

Gives them something juicy to talk about on MN about, especially if it helps them get their view across that all benefit claims for MH are bogus.

I do it to help people, but am shocked at the number of people faking it with nothing wrong with them. I have stepped back quite a lot, used to volunteer weekly, now just volunteer at one off events like fund raisers.

Well all these comments in, and there you have hit the nail on the head.

How do we ensure those who need benefits get them, whilst ensuring those who don’t need them don’t get them. It’s difficult, and it will never be achieved perfectly or fairly.

However at the moment we’ve gone so far away from what is fair - that the benefits bill is bulging and unsustainable. That so many people who Don’t need free cash from tax payers, are receiving it. Something needs to be done. It’s politicians job to address the fact. But they never do. And Labour are making a bad situation much worse.

So you think asylum seekers are a poor employment choice? You better check your lefty woke credentials there - they are slipping.

So you are saying that people with no mental health difficulties attend a mental health hub? Why would they bother going that far in their fakery?

I have stepped back quite a lot, used to volunteer weekly, now just volunteer at one off events like fund raisers

So you don't currently eavesdrop on people discussing how to play the system?

Just to point out that unless you have someone with disability or are working then you won't benefit from this as there is still a benefits cap.

Also, a volunteer is not going to be privy to any meaningful information about the people attending, including their medical information.
But I suppose they think someone is faking because they managed to get out the house and get to the hub to begin with.

UC goes by wages earned not hours. The concept of 16 hours is outdated.

How do you differentiate between someone who needs benefits, and someone who does not?

The problem is that global need for people that could legitimately be considered at risk of persecution/ at risk of torture/inhumane treatment etc etc is so large relative to the size of the UK that we may as well consider it infinite. That is where "safe and legal routes" fall down - when literally a billion plus people would have a legitimate claim. We cannot give bed and board to the world's population of people with shit lives.

Yes. It is only difficult if people perform the mental gymnastics to make themselves believe it’s difficult.. Which as can be seen on this thread, is not unusual.

‘That is where "safe and legal routes" fall down - when literally a billion plus people would have a legitimate claim. ‘

Exactly that.

Labour increase the benefit bill? Is the pope catholic. Hardly worth discussing it is the Labour way.

A billion plus, literally? Are you always prone to exaggeration?

Yes. PIP and DLA don't count why there is an explosion of demands on the grounds of anxiety/depression/autism/adhd. Some are authentic and I would be the last person to not to want to support people suffering but it's just too easy to get; no diagnosis needed, no in person interview needed. You just have to say how badly you are coping in all areas of life- having said the same thing to the GP that's what they would have in writing as well. It's just too easy for dishonest people to claim it (and sometimes too hard for honest people who are in need).

Not even just all those great points - you do NOT live a life of luxury being on benefits. Been there and it is hand to mouth, constant guilt you can;t afford extras for your children. Living in any rental property that will take you when you're not working full time, or possibly getting a council property which will normally be in a shit area (if you have a big family). No pension, no security. Ca;t get credit unless it's astronomical interest fees.

I read people going on about those on benefits going on holidays abroad, having latest phones, hair and nails done...all bullshit. If someone who is on benefits can afford these things then they are doing something dodgy on the side, because you do NOT have any extra money.

It's an awful existence.

Are people really going through all the faff of applying for PIP etc, just to get round the benefit cap?
Unless you have a large family, you wont get enough in benefits to get near the cap anyway.

Utter nonsense
It goes off needs not diagnosis because two people with a diagnosis of say autism can hsve very different needs
And why do people think DLA/ PIP just take a GP,s patient / mum says letter aa evidence ?
They want to see evidence from professionals working with the person / child
Like school ,paediatrician, portage ,OT ,physio. Etc.

I'm not exaggerating at all. I think it's a perfectly reasonable guess.

I work with many people from Nigeria. They left Nigeria because they did not feel safe in their country. Unsafe enough to leave smallholdings/jobs and pay £££. The population of Nigeria alone is 230 million people.

Edit to say world population is over 8 billion. 1 in 8 people unsafe sounds pretty reasonable to me.

The government needs people to have children…they are worried about the declining birth rate. This wouldn’t encourage me to have more children though.