Labour increase benefits bill. AIBU To think what’s the point in working?

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15520831/Labours-push-lift-two-child-benefits-cap-hand-25-000-windfalls-thousands-Britains-biggest-jobless-families.html#

‘Official estimates suggest the cost of scrapping the cap will total £13.6 billion over the next five years.

The Tories said families currently affected by the cap are in line to receive windfalls worth an average £25,000 each over that period.

But the biggest families will gain far more. Thousands of families with five children will receive around £10,900 a year while those with six children will get an extra £16,600 a year.
Almost half of the families involved have no one in work.‘

What would you have them do - starve on the streets whilst they wait the impossible time frames for asylum applications to be processed?

A better system would be to allow them to work, and speed up the asylum process. But then it would be 'asylum seekers are stealing our jobs' (to which I would point out if an asylum seeker fleeing something awful, in a foreign country, is a better employee prospect than you, thats a you problem!)

Well if they're paying loads of tax then that's good surely?
You can't be saying 'benefit claimants pay no tax so are useless'
As well as 'people who pay loads of tax and claim benefits are also wrong'.

It is not much more than the minimum a civilised country should offer.

Would you prefer a system of detention camps?

I think she is referring to the "benefits" they get once their claims are processed and they are certified refugees as opposed to their ability to claim benefits. If you are a refugee the local authority that you are placed within has an obligation to find you accommodation, ensure you have access to healthcare, your kids get a place in the local school etc. Things that maybe wouldn't have been contentious ten years ago when public services weren't so stretched and there weren't so many refugees in the country.

@1457bloom There are approx 62,000 asylum seekers in the UK. There are 7.9m people on universal credit. You do the maths.

Was all that just to end up with the point that 'mental health difficulties' can't be as debilitating as physical health or developmental conditions or are you only limiting this conclusion to your neighbour?

People with physical health difficulties or developmental difficulties or mental health difficulties who can work (and there are many who can) with accommodations should be supported to earn and contribute.

Those who can't should be fully supported to have a decent quality of life. There is no hierarchy of disabilities.

Of course asking whether claims should go to all is a reasonable question. There are cut offs for many things.

A benefits bashing thread. We haven’t had one of these for the past half an hour. Just what we needed.

I got a month's free sub in the run-up to the budget. I still get daily e-mails with the main articles and headlines. Some of them really are Fox/ Daily Mail material.

What do you mean by sham claimants taking the piss? What makes a claimant a sham and a piss taker? I thought we were just talking about people with more than two children getting a bit more money. The children exist so it’s not a sham. I feel the cognitive bias may be yours.

They are becoming relentlessly frequent, aren't they?

I would expect a lot more of these if I were you as people get increasingly angry due to taxes and costs rising.

And you really can't blame them given what is happening in the UK.

Ignore this at your own peril.

Going by the links on here maybe the journo wanted some pro Labour to do some work getting his article noticed.

There are parents on benefits who spend taxpayers money on their children.

There are parents on benefits who spend taxpayers money on themselves. Alcohol. Cigarettes. Nails. Hair and even, and I’ve read it on Mumsnet…Mounjaro.

Offering these parents extra money to please look after your children, isn’t going to result in happier, healthier children, unless you limit what can be purchased through use of vouchers. Many of these parents will remain selfish and lazy. They’ll just be richer at my expense. More money for Botox I guess.

Nope.

My post was in response to all the MN posters who seem to believe that there are no benefits or incentives to claiming asylum in this country so to do so must mean the person is absolutely desperate to flee their country of origin. Even if they've already lived here for years and claim asylum after being found out that they've overstayed their visas.

When the benefits are numerous. So there are other incentives.

Same as the posts pointing out claiming benefits in the UK for UK citizens can be lucrative and provide gateways to numerous other benefits so it doesn't mean the claimants are necessarily living terrible poverty-stricken lives forcing them to claim just to survive.

It's not the case for many. As PP have said, they feel trapped in claiming because the literal benefits are so great.

It wouldn't benefit me personally, but my friend has given up work. She was on minimum wage, 3 kids and rents. No incentive to work as she reckons she's a lit better off not working.

If they knew there was no accommodation and no money, most wouldn’t come.

No one in their right mind would move to this cold, damp country for asylum, if they knew there were no benefits to keep them comfortable. The boats would pretty much stop.

Seems like the only people who know how much better off they'll be are the asylum seekers. Most people on here either haven't got a clue or don't care.

Ignore this at your own peril

What do you think is going to happen? A Reform government? Or something even worse?

But what is happening is that there is a hierarchy of disabilities with non-physical, MH disabilities being the top of claimants saying they're too sick to work and claiming PIP.

And I think that's resulted from the attitude of 'they should be treated the same'.

I don't think they should in all cases.

In terms of working, making reasonable adjustments under the Equality etc then fine.

But not in terms of disability benefits.

There are vast, vast differences. Particularly when it comes to PIP.

Reform coalition.

They have made it clear they will slash and burn public spending. One of the few things they have been consistent about. I have little doubt they will do so in a chaotic way.

Just putting this out there, a well known saying (not my words):-

"If you can't feed, don't breed"

Yes it shows people have had it up to here with taxes going on welfare

Which benefit is taxable? Child benefit for people earning over 60k that is taken back?

So no benefits. With social care and medical care nobody was under the impression they can't get, and nobody who isn't a very unpleasant person has issues with then getting it rather than dying or not being able to survive at all while waiting for an application.

What benefits can they get? The other person claims pip etc, and specific disability benefits.