To have lost faith in men

[nondrinker1985]

As a result of all the Epstein stuff. Having been a victim of a sexual assault as a young child then in my teens and twenties I had a sense of what men were like but my DH is a good man.

Literally everyone is involved in this Epstein stuff- anyone with power. So this makes them exploit young women? It’s sickening - it’s heartbreaking for the young girls who are victims of these men.

Are they? Tell that to Gisele Pelicot.

No. Women have no sex drive at all, and humans reproduce only when absolutely obsessed with various kinks and non consensual activity, as any fule kno. We do indeed owe our lives and the existence of humanity to male perversion and abuse, so what the fuck are we complaining about.

Thanks for your input, Oona.

Ridiculous response.

How so?

Because it has no connection to the post you answered.

You said ‘can and will are two very different words’ in response to a poster advising you that men have the ability to rape, as if it was outside the realms of possibility for it to happen, because you know as you keep banging on, we are all out here walking about petrified of EVERY man walking the earth.

They weren’t so different when 50 (that they know of), so called ‘ordinary men’, of ‘respectable’ professions were found in proximity of one village to come and rape Ms Pelicot given the chance.

Not all men are rapists but all rapists are men and all that.

Obviously, not all men etc etc.

But there seems to be an effort to convince us that the men who would, if they could get away with it, are a tiny insignificant fraction that aren't worth worrying about, and this simply isn't true. As cases like Gisele Pelicot's prove. And how many lined up to exploit Bonnie Blue? I know she set it up, consented etc so they've covered that line and it must all be her fault but honestly, what kind of man chooses to participate in something like that and how come they are so easy to find?

So as we all know, every man, unless he has a medical condition, CAN rape, and of course reasonable people also know that the majority of men DONT rape.
The Gisele case was horrendous. It horrified the world, because of the way her husband and other men acted.

Do you think that's the norm? Would your father, husband, son, queue up to have unlawful sex with someone elses comatose wife?

That’s the whole point! The wives, daughters etc etc of those men in France I’m sure didn’t in a million years think they would be capable of that. But they were and they did. It’s not an isolated case, a man has just been convicted here of the same. Every rapist is a son. Loads have wives and children.

In my line of work, do you know how many wives, girlfriends, mothers I’ve heard protesting, ‘they would never do that!’.

It’s true more humans don’t commit crime than humans who do, but stop minimising that of the sexual and violent crime that DOES occur, 98%
are committed by men, and it’s offensive to women who have been assaulted to continually have you bleat on ‘ah but it’ll probably never happen to you, what’s the fuss’, despite how many lovely men you know.

If there were suddenly loads of threads where posters highlighted many abuse cases perpetrated by women, the last thing I would think to do would be to wade on and state ‘well the majority won’t harm you so calm yourselves down’ 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄.

That will never happen because men don’t talk like that, written or verbally.

Hmm ... on today's Independent online, 3 of 6 headline items are about men murdering and abusing women and children.

I tried to add a screen shot but this site won't let me.

I agree with PP you can't tell the decent ones to the downright evil men.
There's also mental abuse which I was on the recieving ends when I was in my early twenties. I was inexperienced and I was manipulated.

I have never minimised the effect on women who have been assaulted.
What I have said, and will continue to believe, is that the vast majority of men do not abuse, and for women to be fearful and distrustful of all men because of the ones who do abuse women, is detrimental to not only to the men, but to the women themselves.

Saying all men CAN rape is as factual as saying all women CAN murder.
Yes, of course they can....but they don't.

Not when it comes to rape though, which is what you piped up about. Only men can do that. Women CAN murder, but it’s rare compared to men. Stats matter.

Women have been drummed into them since time began that men are the more dangerous sex class as a safeguarding measure - because they are. We don’t know which ones want to cause harm from the ones who don’t. It doesn’t mean, despite you protesting otherwise over and over, that women are fearful of ALL men. It means that when we get off a bus late at night, we’re more mindful of what the lone guy who gets off at the same stop too is doing with no one else around, more so than if it had been a woman. I’d take my chances with a woman over a man any day of the week.

NO ONE HAS SAID ALL MEN.

I don't think anyone has been as condescending as that.
Add a few more 🙄if you think it'll add any more depth to your post.

Continuing from where you left off with your posts yesterday evening, each had a ‘🙄’.

🙄

Why are you SHOUTING??😀

If you read through the thread, several women have said they are fearful or suspicious of ALL men...maybe you have selective reading.

While the women who obtained young girls for Epstein are vile, they wouldn't be doing it if the men weren't demanding it. And the men would continue regardless of any involvement of women.

I do wonder why Ghislaine Maxwell did it.

Do you?! Despite the many NAMALTs you continue to say ALL men, when it’s been stated it’s men as a sex class.

Quote the posts where it’s stated that it’s each and every man to walk the planet. To be honest it could be, you have no idea of what even the loveliest man is capable of.

If you have a decent husband, sons, grandsons, and you are involved in their lives and do'nt go through life wearing rose coloured specs, I think in general women DO know the men they are involved with.
The 'lovliest' man wont rape and abuse...if he had that in him he would hardly be described as lovely.

I don’t know if I pity or envy you for being so naive. I can’t decide.

You clearly have never seen any of the many news reports where murderers and rapists are indeed described as ‘lovely family man, what caused him to snap poor thing’.

There was a bit of a movement to stop it, but like all such in favour of women’s reality it seems to have bitten the dust lately.

TBH after 68 years on this planet I have come to believe that MOST men will abuse women if they think they will get away with it. Including rape.