to feel uneasy about what this means long term rather than surprised by the weight regain itself?

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I’ve just read a BBC article about research into weight loss injections like Ozempic and Wegovy showing that people who stop taking them tend to regain weight quite quickly.

I’m not shocked that weight comes back. That happens after most weight loss attempts whether they involve medication or not.

These drugs are increasingly talked about as something people might take for years or even indefinitely. That raises questions for me about what happens when someone cannot afford them anymore, when supply changes, when side effects become an issue or when a person simply does not want to stay on a medication for life.

If stopping leads not just to regain but to a fairly rapid rebound, it feels less like a temporary aid and more like something that is very hard to step away from once started. That sits oddly with how casually they are sometimes discussed.

AIBU to think the real issue here is not that people regain weight after stopping, but whether we are quietly normalising a treatment that may be difficult to discontinue once begun? Or is this simply the reality of managing a chronic condition?

You might work on the skill of ignoring WLI threads outside the WLI board.
They are apparently intensely triggering for some on WLI.

You might also work on the skill of reading the article linked in the OP which the discussion is about. And/or consider a name change, as factual does not seem to be a major attribute given your earlier post:

I would be interested In evidence that shows that people on WLI gain at 4x the rate of slimming world, keto etc…not from you OP, i know you don’t know

@Whataninterestinglookingpotato WLI enable a lifestyle change for many of the people that use them, that’s one of the many benefits. Because I lost some weight I was able to start exercising regularly and consistently. Both structured exercise and more incidental activity during the course of my normal day. What are the underlying causes that I now need to address? I tend to eat high sugar and high fat foods when I’m a bit stressed or tired, and I live in a society where that kind of food is abundant. That’s my underlying cause.

That's you trying very hard to frame me as being triggered and too sensitive. I don't find the comparison sick at all. Obesity kills. The only difference is it does it slowly and often comes as a surprise. But I know you think that unlike cancer you view it as self inflicted and a weakness. Obesity is life limiting and results in premature death. Just like cancer.

I just wondered if I finally get a heart attack or become incapacitated after a stroke and need a carer (provided i didn't die from it) - you would presumably still tell me about willpower and how its my fault? Presumably you think that most people with lung cancer have caused it themselves and you'd be quite happy to lecture about willpower and lifestyle?

Im not reading into it. You said yourself its willpower and yadda yadda. And I say for many it is not and that it is a disease.

I've worked with a fair few people who are brilliant cooks and their waistlines are testament to that. Though I suppose the fact that being able to cook makes you fat is only my anecdotal, lived experience rather than a peer reviewed study.

I dont find these threads triggering

i think people are entitled to their opinions and should be allowed to express them

i did read the article, but i am interested in more of a breakdown depending on the diet, so wli, weightwatchers, Cambridge etc which that article didn’t go into one imagines because the research just isn’t there yet

It's baffling that you think, with no evidence whatsoever, that it's possible to successfully treat the causes of obesity and that these are mostly psychological. Why is it you think that, have you not researched the matter at all or did you read something and misunderstand it?

I saw the same news article OP, was a few weeks ago. Something that the weight goes back on 8 times as fast as someone coming off a normal diet.

I do feel as if the drug has been a little miss-sold to people and it's now coming to light. That this will have to be a long term thing if people are unable to keep up the good work after the medicine has stopped. I am a little concerned about long-term side effects, are they as serious as obesity, or are we swapping one set of health problems for another? And does the risk go up with age like most things do? Are people able to keep taking it into their 60/70's?

As it stands, they are helping people massively, making drugs companies rich and saving (hopefully) the NHS money in lack of obesity-related illnesses. I do wonder about the long term and it feels a little like the general public are being used as an experiment and things will be learned down the line as they come to light, much like HRT did.

And i even said that the skill of ignoring posters is a skill i need to work on 🤷🏻

its very difficult to do

Not everyone who is obese needs cooking lessons 😂. I find it amusing that everyone is so offended by this. All I meant by it is that practical support for lifestyle changes should be available along side. That will be different for everyone depending on need.

That’s me unfortunately, I am a passionate and competent cook and I love food. Coupled with emotional eating issues, AuDHD sensory seeking and poor impulse control, I’ve struggled with my weight all my adult life. Obesity is miserable and humiliating and painful and I hate it. I don’t really understand slimmer people who make it their life’s work to make people like me feel even worse than we already do. I think being that cruel and twisted is far worse than being fat.

I have no doubt that the jab will help people change their mindset around food and their stomach will change size, they’ll be in a routine of moving more, probably part of a local exercise class.

No, there is a reason for all cancers. The scientists just haven't found it all. Likely the factors are complex, just as they are with obesity. Research is being done on both. HTH.

I didn't say obesity is caused by health conditions. I say obesity has devastating effects on health and often kills. I also said WLI enabled me to make lifestyle changes beyond my diet, but that goes against your narrative so you couldn't pick up on it.

No ta. I'm quite capable of losing weight in a healthy way. The weight loss injections enable me to put my knowledge into action without my body screaming at me constantly that I need more food. I'm perfectly healthy and on a long term maintenance dose. No more interventions needed.

It is indeed. But on these thread we are not talking about just breezing over one individual annoying poster. It is a posse, and I recognise most of the names, that comes in as if a bat signal has gone off, and shuts down all conversation.

You seem like a nice reindeer. Go back and look at some of the threads, same names over and over, same progression - or lack of progression, as any discussion that is not utterly positive about WLI is apparently upsetting, and accusations must be hurled at anyone daring to try to discuss any downside - and same end: the same names congratulating themselves.

A quick Google search will tell you that less than 5% of all obese people are obese primarily because of medical conditions.

Will do velvet

But you are here too!?

The basic underlying reason is we eat too much as a society

We are animals, we are flooded with food opportunities, cheap, socially acceptable, convenient.

So we need help to reduce our wants to eat less. We are hard wired to eat when available. Its how we now exist as a species.

Animals will eat when they can, its how they survive.

We do not have more or less 'psychological underlying reasons' than any other countries around the world.

We have a vastly different cultural attitude to overeating than countries which have less of a problem with obesity, although they too are catching up as they adopt American/UK style food cultures. UPFs encourage the body to literally change how it responds perpetuating a cycle.

1. not in a posse
2. interested in discussing such things

How did you come to the conclusion that using weight loss injections as a tool to loose weight and start the lifestyle changes was against my narrative? You really are reading too much into things and getting unnecessarily offended.

my point is that people may need support to keep up enough lifestyle changes to maintain weight loss after the jabs. Because surely changing your lifestyle and coming off them is preferable to long term meds with uncertain side affects. But you don’t seem to want that.

Why shouldn't I defend a medicine that's reduced my risk of a whole raft of life limiting conditions? Why shouldn't I point out that the evidence supports their use for people who use them correctly? I'm not going to shut up or apologise for speaking up for something that has transformed my life.

Yes, that's why I specifically highlighted your claims about psychological causes and addressing the root as the problems. Both entirely invented.

I've tried that. I know what to do. The medication enables me to put my knowledge into practice. I can't do this when my body is fighting me constantly as it pretends it's starving and messes with my blood sugar levels and hormones. The medication stabilises this. It's not like normal hunger. I'm fine with that and keep my dose low so I still experience hunger. It's very very different off the injections. I don't need therapy or advice. I need a prescribed medicine to enable me to stay healthy. If you haven't experienced it lucky you, but the idea of being lectured by people who can't understand what it's like is more likely to send me to a pile of cream cakes than actually help.

I quite like them! It really interests me the way people get so attached to theories about obesity and weight loss.

It's fascinating because it's obvious where the idea that there must be non drug cures for obesity comes from. It's what we were told for a long time, since it was either that or we were completely screwed. So I get that. When provided with a narrative, people invented the rest themselves, and some of them don't do well with the priors changing.

I have lost 2 stone on them but couldn’t afford to carry on. But since been off them have carried on losing. I have to calorie count everything, and exercise every day. But the jab gave me the chance to start healthy habits and I am not starting at over weight I am able to comfortably exercise. I find it so odd so many people keep posting this. Especially when they have never taken it themselves. People take drugs every day for mental health no one says a thing. But people are obsessed with the use of the jabs. I soon as I can afford it again I am back on it. It changed my whole life it solved a lot of my other issues with my disability. And my stomach issues, I also stopped being g anxious. Best drug I have Ever taken.