to feel uneasy about what this means long term rather than surprised by the weight regain itself?

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I’ve just read a BBC article about research into weight loss injections like Ozempic and Wegovy showing that people who stop taking them tend to regain weight quite quickly.

I’m not shocked that weight comes back. That happens after most weight loss attempts whether they involve medication or not.

These drugs are increasingly talked about as something people might take for years or even indefinitely. That raises questions for me about what happens when someone cannot afford them anymore, when supply changes, when side effects become an issue or when a person simply does not want to stay on a medication for life.

If stopping leads not just to regain but to a fairly rapid rebound, it feels less like a temporary aid and more like something that is very hard to step away from once started. That sits oddly with how casually they are sometimes discussed.

AIBU to think the real issue here is not that people regain weight after stopping, but whether we are quietly normalising a treatment that may be difficult to discontinue once begun? Or is this simply the reality of managing a chronic condition?

i would say that the is evidence that gaining a healthier relationship with food, cooking lower fat meals from scratch and exercising correctly and regularly helps to keep weight off.

people struggle with these things for many different reasons but weight loss injections alone just seem like a massive sticking plaster rather than dealing with the underlying reason for obesity. It won’t work for everyone as people have got to be motivated and actually want to engage with it, but it might give some people a fighting chance of coming off the injections and not regaining weight. As someone who has lost weight and keep it off you do need to change your whole life. Society is built to make us over weight, it’s easy to gain and a lot harder not to slip back into old habits once the weight loss “journey” is over.

The suggestion people need cooking classes is so offensive. Its just another thread by someone who doesn't understand obesity.

God I hope so!

I know. All this caring is just so so well intended and kind. Really makes me think whether being a healthy bmi, a raft of green health stats and a body that doesn't hurt is worth it. Those evil jabs extending my healthy life years 😭

I’ve been off them for three months and I haven’t regained any weight yet. I had to go cold turkey off the highest dose as well, it’s been awful. I am so anxious about regaining despite managing to keep up the same eating habits, because I don’t really understand the mechanism and whether the weight is going to come back no matter what I do. I’ve lost 4.5 stone and it feels great, but I sometimes wish I’d never used the WLI at all. If I end up back where I started I don’t think I could handle it.

I know someone who came off a while ago, is eating healthier and definitely no obvious weight gain and she’s talking about being happy about it. I’d say it’ll be different for different people

that's an interesting risk assessment. Risk of developing pancreatitis the first year after gastric sleeve surgery is higher than with WLI. Not to mention surgery mortality approx 1 in 500-1000. I haven't researched surgeries in detail but does not seem to be a safer option.

Its great this worked for you, but you are feeding into the willpower narrative. WLI enable people to change their lifestyle. Im starting to gain back more mobility. My aches and pains are gone. They allow me to make changes that go way beyond my diet.

Wow, I know being obese is a touchy subject for many but I can’t believe you just likened it to cancer patients. That’s a bit much. You can’t cure cancer with diet exercise and will power. While there are some people medical conditions that will make you gain weight through no fault of their own, that’s not the case for most. For most it comes down to their relationship with food.

There's a lot of 'I'd say' and 'seems' in here, but no actual proof. And there's a reason for that, which is that these are just beliefs you hold. If you try looking for evidence that cookery classes assist obese people in becoming and staying a healthy BMI, none will be forthcoming.

It's one of those things that sounds nice, and certainly it would be a good thing if more people knew how to cook adequately. But the obesity stuff is merely what you wish was true.

Oh you could absolutely life a lifestyle to significantly reduce the risks of some cancers.

Great that you also just confirmed you don't actually understand obesity 👊

People are not allowed to ask questions about or ponder the implications of WLI on MN, that is clear

those posters can be ignored and the phrase used was ‘not allowed…on MN’ when quite obviously MN is allowing these threads

I also think the quite valid comparison shocked you and you probably didn't see another way but to insult obese people for not trying hard enough according to your belief.

I’ve worked with a fair few people that cooking classes would have been helpful for. But I suppose that is only my anecdotal, lived experience evidence rather than a peer reviewed study.

No, they cannot just be ignored. Every thread ends the same way. A swarm and a hammering and finally only the same posters shutting down any conversation about WLI that isn't a MLM-type hype fest are left, congratulating themselves and calling all the other posters wanting a normal discussion "idiots".

Ergo, a simple discussion is not allowed.

We have a food and social/environmental culture in thsi country which encourages over eating

Posters are keen, almost to the point of obsession to repeat the false narrative that obese people need therapy or counseling to fix their 'unhealthy relationship' with food.

Society, supported by government and food industries have promoted an unhealthy relationship with food for all of us.

Boringly I did some calorie calucations on another thread ages ago, you dont need to binge eat or rely on food as some sort of emotional crutch to get obese. It can happen over the course of a year. pound by pound. Eating a few biscuits a day, an extra blob of butter, holidays, christmases, birthdays, celebrations. We dont need therapy for this.

Society, supported by government have promoted a car based system, a system which doesnt even allow kids to have a proper lunchtime at school, a system which means that there isnt time to prepare batch cooking .

We are replicating America and Australia in their food habits and our weight shows this.

We dont need therapy for this either, we need government to support a healthy physical and food environment, just like in other countries.

Look, it’s obviously a very touchy subject for you. I think that the comparison is a bit sick to be honest but obviously you have a different view.

at no point did I say that obese people aren’t trying hard enough. That’s just what you read into it because you’re clearly very sensitive about it. But you do need to address the underlying causes. They’ll be different for everyone but a change of lifestyle is what is needed for most people and some people may do better with support to do that. How ever offended you are by that.

Ergo, a simple discussion is not allowed

ergo 😀

MN allow discussion….individual posters may not

I appreciate that it can be difficult to ignore posters for some people

skill worth working on though…

Deffo skill i need to work on…not on this thread 😀

It is, but I don't think anyone disputes that there are people for whom cooking lessons would be useful. It's just that's a very different point to whether they do anything to make obese people get and stay a healthy BMI.

But they can still be useful without being something that curbs existing obesity. And it's best those resources are directed at the people who'd most benefit from them- because they're such a good thing when needed!

I don’t understand all the comments about “not being allowed” to discuss WLI or anything else. Absolutely nobody is stopping anybody from posting exactly what they want to, as long as it’s not a personal attack. If you mean that you lack the resilience to cope with comments from people who disagree with you - and are similarly exercising their freedom to post - then own that. Otherwise, stop whining about being persecuted and get on with the discussion.

Why do you think I should debate a regulated medication that I am validly prescribed? Why do you think I wouldn't be grateful and speak out about a medication that will give me more healthy years with the people I love. Of all the things I've done in my life investing in weight loss injections is probably the best health wise other than actually life saving treatments I've had. I just have no patience with faux concern and scaremongering. If there was a big debate about the risk benefits they wouldn't be authorised for being prescribed by pharmacists. It's based on evidence not assumptions and anecdotes

Wegovy's patent expires in 2031. Ozempic's patent expires in 2032. Mounjaro's patent expires in 2036. Competitively priced generic GLP-1s will soon flood the market. I'm on MJ. If I have to pay for a maintenance dose to stay at a healthy weight, I will. Alternatives may present themselves in the meantime.

GLP-1 receptor drugs have been used successfully to support people with diabetes for decades. It's not an experimental drug. Those of you gleefully rubbing your hands together at the possibility of the weak-willed fatties growing a third head as an unintended consequence of using WLIs when they could have simply eaten less and exercised more, like they do, will be disappointed.

Weight regain after rapid weight loss is a risk no matter how the weight is lost.

of course you can live a lifestyle that reduces your risk of cancer but many many cancers will strike for no real reason.

very few people are obese because of health conditions. Mostly it’s psychological. It’s baffles me that you wouldn’t think treating the underlying causes is better than just taking a jab and covering up the issue. But we clearly have very different mindsets. To me it sounds like you’re saying, that’s too hard just give me the jabs.